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Yuri Kuchinsky · 10-10-2005, 12:00 PM

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Thanks, Yuri.

You're welcome, Chris.

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This is still puzzling on where exactly did Matthew get his genealogy list from.

Even though, the chronology still doesn't line up, as Rahab (of Joshua fame) would have been too old to be the great-grandmother of David. Error on Matthew's part, or an unknown Rahab which nothing mentioning her survives?

Try to keep it in perspective... Besides Mary, Matthew's genealogy includes these 4 women: Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, and Bathsheba. All somewhat disreputable, and foreigners, to boot?

All this stuff is mostly symbolic. Are you really expecting for all of this to make historical sense?

Regards,

Yuri.

spin · 10-11-2005, 12:51 PM

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Here you go,

(Ruth 4:21 RSV) Salmon of Boaz, Boaz of Obed,

Peshitta:
(Ruth 4:21) w-$l) )wld l-b(z; w-b(z )wld l-(wbd%

Thanks, Yuri.

$l) is pretty strange. At least it has the shin, whereas the Peshitta Mt has a samek and has a samek for the tsade of Isaac (and Zadoq).

What is your source electronic or print?

spin

Chris Weimer · 10-11-2005, 05:29 PM

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Try to keep it in perspective... Besides Mary, Matthew's genealogy includes these 4 women: Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, and Bathsheba. All somewhat disreputable, and foreigners, to boot?

All this stuff is mostly symbolic. Are you really expecting for all of this to make historical sense?

No, not really, but consistent. However, that still may be asking too much. But the four women all have something in common. I made a note about it in my blog here:

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Found among the names of 41 men are five women: Θαμα�?, Ραχαβ, Ρουθ, η του Ου�?ιου, and Μα�?ιας. Proponents of the theory that the genealogy is of Mary often use the women mentioned as evidence that Matthew was feminine-friendly.

The first woman, Thamar, is the daughter-in-law of Judah. As the story goes, Judah sees her and mistakes her to be a harlot. He then “knows�? her, to use the Biblical euphemism, and when she is found pregnant, Judah realizes that he was the father, having given her his bracelets, staff, and signet beforehand. He then proclaims her to be righteous.[8] The key here seems to be redemption and righteousness out of sin.

Rachab, the second on the list, was a harlot of Jericho who helped Joshua overcome the city by hiding his spies. For that act, her life was spared.[9] Matthew may have known the Epistle to the Hebrews, since its author also commends her. Again, we see righteousness and redemption out of a sinful lifestyle.[10]

Ruth was the third woman listed. Instead of prostitution, her “crime�? was that she was from Moab and not from one of the tribes of Israel.[11] Her inclusion may be a sign that Matthew wanted to extend the ministry of Jesus to Gentiles, since without this Gentile there would be no David, hence no Jesus.

The phrase “η του Ου�?ιου�? refers to Bathsheba, the woman married to Uriah whom David committed adultery with.[12] There is nothing exceptionally forgiving about her, but this may be why her name is not said directly.

The final woman was by necessity Mary, the mother of Jesus. Her importance is actually understated in Matthew’s gospel, but being the mother of Jesus, even to the point of being called “η αλλη Μα�?ια�?[13] later in the gospel, she could not have been left out.

See the entire article for fuller reference, but he seems to be playing the sin-redemption/foreigner card as a pre-emptive apology for Jesus saving the Gentile sinners.

Yuri Kuchinsky · 10-13-2005, 07:43 AM

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Thanks, Yuri.

$l) is pretty strange. At least it has the shin, whereas the Peshitta Mt has a samek and has a samek for the tsade of Isaac (and Zadoq).

What is your source electronic or print?

spin

CAL database. There's a lot of stuff in there, but it's not all that easy to search.

Yuri.

Chris Weimer · 10-13-2005, 01:01 PM

Am I the only one for some reason or another can't access the database? It used to work for me, but now will not load...

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