QuestionMark

According to the NT:

Jesus was crucified and died on Friday evening.

Witness observe Jesus on Sunday morning, walking and talking.

Besides the Lord 'suffering' crucifixion and being 'dead' for approximately 36 hours, what was sacrificed?

Jesus had the power to resurrect Lazarus and 2 other dead people.

I assume therefore that Jesus possessed the power to resurrect himself and to also switch off pain.

What is the big deal about the Crucifixion?

Should it be called the 'Crucifiction'?

QM?

wordy

one suggestion I heard is that one could see Jesus as a metaphor or symbol that represent a special interpretation of the OT. That interpretation may have many competing groups that had to compromise on the story writing so different version are there in the Bible.

So their story is not consistent. it breaks in analogy and such. The sacrificed Lamb has to be very pure and innocent Without fault and willing to forget those who put him on the cross. They get entangled in trying to get the story to do two things. Be consistent with the OT about the messiah but also consistent with their own political needs and to fend off their enemies interpretation.

It is a bit like the Ms Windows and Vista and the Linux Open Source peoples.

aa5874

It is very odd that the NT authors presented a criminal as the son of God of Moses who was crucified. The Jewish people, based on Josephus, Philo, and even Roman writers, had no expectation that a criminal would be the Messiah up to the writing of Wars of the Jews.

Cruci-fiction may be appropiate.

Amaleq13

Really? A claim that appears to have no basis in Hebrew tradition or Hebrew Scripture and the nature of which actually makes it less acceptable than just about any other form of death is most likely something somebody fabricated? They deliberately and arbitrarily chose the most horribly repugnant and humiliating death for the central figure of their faith?

I can only hope folks out there willing to engage their brains recognize the utterly simplistic nature of your conclusion.

Autonemesis

Well, if Jesus were hanged instead, would there be nooses dangling from Christian church steeples today?

QuestionMark

Or, for the 20th century, little electric chairs on which Jesus is seated hanging around peoples necks.


QM?

JoeWallack

JW:
Oh I beg to differ on the question. Paul has that Deutro Quotro that Jesus was hung to take away the curse of The Law. This from somone who's primary source of Jesus is Revelation and is known to use Greek translations of the Jewish Bible to support supposed important information about Jesus. It's quite Possible that "Mark", writing the original Gospel, gets the Crucifixion idea from Paul as opposed to Historical witness.



Joseph

"They said you was hung." "They was Right." - Paul's Imagination

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

squiz

I don't know whether this argument says anything about whether the Jesus story is mythical or not. Nevertheless I find it an interesting argument against modern believers in the atonement of Christ. If it is really necessary for Christ to bear our sins in order for us to be reconciled to God, shouldn't he be required to bear those sins for eternity, as we would be?

aa5874

It would appear, based on the NT, that if Jesus was only human he did not die after his crucifixion, all the authors of Gospels and the Epistles claimed Jesus was alive afterwards, so in effect, Jesus was never sacrificed, and therefore is not a replacement for the sacrificial system for the atonement of sins according to the Law.

The events surrounding the crucifixion appear to be fiction.

Roger Pearse

Yes, in both cases.

What has all this to do with BC&H?

All the best,

Roger Pearse