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Old 02-27-2007, 12:52 PM   #71
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Stu << Actually there already is a movie about finding Jesus' tomb. I think the movie was called "The Body" and starred Antonio Bandaras. In the movie a Jewish archeological team finds a tomb which is Jesus' tomb or so it seems. >>

Ah thanks I'll have to check. I think I remember that. But its not based on Paul Maier's novel?

The Body (2001), available on DVD

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Dear Phil,
That's fantastic that you found the movie.
I was watching TV one night and it was on. I really enjoyed the movie.
Probably most of the people on this forum who are into this stuff, either pro or con, will enjoy this movie.
After I saw the movie I prayed for about a week that they would really find Jesus' tomb and Christianity would go out of business. Maybe my prayers have been answered. Hallelujah!

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PS If Christianity goes out of business I hope to buy the church down the block at a foreclosure sale. I can put my bed on the altar and sleep with a big crucifiction ornament over my bed.
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Old 02-27-2007, 12:56 PM   #72
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Ummm..an empty tomb is only proof of well.....an empty tomb

- of course provided that you've seen it with your own eyes or read about it from a trustworthy source....
Lighten up!
I'm joking. If a body were missing I would never assume a resurrection. I would assume that someone moved the body.

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If they really wanted to do a confirmation they would have done the DNA test between the Jesus and the supposed mother Mary. If they are not related, game over. Yet, they didn't do this test did they...
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If they really wanted to do a confirmation they would have done the DNA test between the Jesus and the supposed mother Mary. If they are not related, game over. Yet, they didn't do this test did they...
I'm sure I read that they did somewhere......but it's not in the Discovery article?
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I'm sure I read that they did.
No, they tested the Mary was that supposed to be Mary Magdalene. The test found that "surprise" the Jesus and that Mary are not related, meaning "they could have been husband and wife". Clearly they are more interested in playing up the "bloodline" fiction.
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haven't the shroud of Turin been found with the supposed image of Jesus?
It's a fourteenth-century fake. And not a very good one.
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No, they tested the Mary was that supposed to be Mary Magdalene. The test found that "surprise" the Jesus and that Mary are not related, meaning "they could have been husband and wife". Clearly they are more interested in playing up the "bloodline" fiction.
hmmmm...yes I see your point. Perhaps it's just not mentioned in the article...surely they would have tested this? I think but may be wrong that most of these burial chambers were only for direct relatives so it is likely that they are related (though they should do the DNA testing to support, I agree).
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If they really wanted to do a confirmation they would have done the DNA test between the Jesus and the supposed mother Mary. If they are not related, game over. Yet, they didn't do this test did they...
Well you know M151 there is a much easier way to confirm if the bones in that box are those of the real Jesus Christ vs. the bones of some other guy named Jesus, get a little of Gods DNA! As this was a miraculous conception and birth, how can we trust the mothers DNA anyway? And aren't God, Jesus Christ and the holy Ghoul… uh ghost one in the same anyway? (Well depending on which sect, cult, or mainstream religious belief etc you believe in, but that is another piece that I already wrote a long time ago.)

Anyway there may be no mother DNA in those bones seeing as how this is the Son of God. No we need the real deal, Gods DNA to solve this conundrum. So, how do we get some of that? As we all know God is omnipotent, omni-benevolent, omni this and omni that and most importantly for this thread, omni-present (i.e. everywhere). Now if God is everywhere then so is his DNA, right? So just get some God DNA from the cement floor you stand on, or the couch you sit on or the air you breath or…well you get the idea. Then test that omni-present God DNA and the DNA in the Jesus box bones and presto the answer is easily obtained!

There, see the problem of finding proof of who's bones are in the box is an easy one to solve, unlike say religious conflicts and holy wars (See 9/11) or the overpopulation problem that the Abrahamic religions foster with their opposition to population control etc. so that they can send more souls to heaven. Well that and other things like seeking "the usual", money, power and influence and ultimately control over as many people as possible, all in the name of God and (insert your sect, cult, mainstream religious belief etc here.)

Well, my work here is done, glad I could be of service.

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A number of statisticians have calculated that there is only 1 chance in 100 that it is NOT the biblical Jesus' tomb.

The reasoning is based upon the commonality of those names at that time being grouped in the same way as those that were found.
What are the details of this calculation. Is it the chance that a single randomly selected family with this structure will have those names in those positions, or the chance that there will be at least one family having these names by chance?

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Yes, using census data it can be determined that the names Joseph and Jesus and Mary were all common at the time but the same data shows that the commonality decreases when you look at how many Josephs were married to a Mary and decreases again when considering how many of those pairings had a son named Jesus and so on and so on.
Excuse me. What census data?
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That's actually wrong. The chances are 600 to 1 that it's in fact Jesus' tomb. They calculated the chances of finding a tomb with a cluster of these names with this familial structure. They have done DNA and concluded that Mary Magdalene was not a relation of Mary or Jesus. The odds of finding these names are extremely rare (600 - 1).

They then did a Patina test on the James Ossuary and it's an exact match! The odds of having a tomb with these names as well as James in this family structure is around 200 000 to 1.

This is beginning to look like it could be the biggest discovery of our generation.

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence...b_evidence.pdf
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence...e/explore.html
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