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aa5874 · 06-01-2008, 10:33 AM

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There are no such things as authentic Pauline Epistles.

So you say. I've seen your efforts to prove it. They are pathetically fallacious.

Your post is complete nonsense.

You cannot PROVE in anyway whatsoever that the "Paul" was NOT a fabricated character.

There is nothing at all fallacious about the following.

There are NO such things as authentic "Pauline Epistles.

There is NO confirmed known verifiable writing from anyone named "Paul" in the 1st century.

NO independent writer external of the Christian Church writers can account for a person called "Paul".

NO non-apologetic source has confirmed that "Paul" could have died in the 1st century.

The conversion of "Paul" as described in Acts is erroneous and false.

The miracles with respect to "Paul" are all false.

The revelations of "Paul" from the offspring of the Holy Ghost are totally bogus.

The gospel of "Paul" is based on fictitious events, like the resurrection and ascension of the offspring of the Holy Ghost.

Justin Martyr did NOT mention "Paul" anywhere in his extant writings

The Christian writers FAILED to prove that there was indeed a person called "Paul" in the 1st century who received his gospel from the offspring of the Holy Ghost by revelation.

I can therefore maintain, due to their failure, that "Paul" is fiction up to INFINITY or until new evidence surfaces.

sschlichter · 06-01-2008, 04:28 PM

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I now conclude, without reasonable doubt, that the NT and its main characters, Jesus of Nazareth, son of God and Messiah, the twelve disciples and Paul are all fictitious figures with the sole purpose to distort history and fabricate a false god and religion called Christianity.

These 14 characters were never in Judaea at the time recorded in the NT or any place for that matter as stated in the canon.

The NT, based on my investigation, is just fiction.

Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

The Talmud

aa5874 · 06-01-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sschlichter

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Originally Posted by aa5874

I now conclude, without reasonable doubt, that the NT and its main characters, Jesus of Nazareth, son of God and Messiah, the twelve disciples and Paul are all fictitious figures with the sole purpose to distort history and fabricate a false god and religion called Christianity.

These 14 characters were never in Judaea at the time recorded in the NT or any place for that matter as stated in the canon.

The NT, based on my investigation, is just fiction.

Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

The Talmud

What! Is "Paul" in the Talmud?

sschlichter · 06-02-2008, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

I now conclude, without reasonable doubt, that the NT and its main characters, Jesus of Nazareth, son of God and Messiah, the twelve disciples and Paul are all fictitious figures with the sole purpose to distort history and fabricate a false god and religion called Christianity.

These 14 characters were never in Judaea at the time recorded in the NT or any place for that matter as stated in the canon.

The NT, based on my investigation, is just fiction.

Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

The Talmud

Sanhedrin 43a

They hanged Yeshu on the Sabbath of the Passover. But for forty days before that a herald went in front of him (crying), "Yeshu is to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and seduced Israel and lead them away from God. Anyone who can provide evidence on his behalf should come forward to defend him." When, however, nothing favorable about him was found, he was hanged on the Sabbath of the Passover.

2-J · 06-02-2008, 03:49 AM

Is there any reason to think that 'Yeshu' is Jesus??

sschlichter · 06-02-2008, 05:08 AM

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Is there any reason to think that 'Yeshu' is Jesus??

It's the Hebrew name.

It was a very common name, so I suppose their could have been another Jesus that was doing sorcery (miracles) was sentenced to stoning by the Sanhedrin, had a trial and was eventually hanged on a tree at passover.

I am sure it can be googled away, if you try hard enough.

~Steve

aa5874 · 06-02-2008, 07:27 AM

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The Talmud

Sanhedrin 43a

They hanged Yeshu on the Sabbath of the Passover. But for forty days before that a herald went in front of him (crying), "Yeshu is to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and seduced Israel and lead them away from God. Anyone who can provide evidence on his behalf should come forward to defend him." When, however, nothing favorable about him was found, he was hanged on the Sabbath of the Passover.

You don't know when the Talmud was written?

Please get your chronology in order.

The information about the crucifixion of Jesus in the Talmud may have been copied directly from a document called the "Acts of Pilate" or the "Memoirs of the Apostles".

sschlichter · 06-02-2008, 08:18 AM

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Sanhedrin 43a

They hanged Yeshu on the Sabbath of the Passover. But for forty days before that a herald went in front of him (crying), "Yeshu is to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and seduced Israel and lead them away from God. Anyone who can provide evidence on his behalf should come forward to defend him." When, however, nothing favorable about him was found, he was hanged on the Sabbath of the Passover.

You don't know when the Talmud was written?

Please get your chronology in order.

The information about the crucifixion of Jesus in the Talmud may have been copied directly from a document called the "Acts of Pilate" or the "Memoirs of the Apostles".

Why don't you tell me when the Talmud was 'written'. Specifically, tell me what period of time this passage is referring to.

~Steve

Toto · 06-02-2008, 08:38 AM

Steve S: The Talmud cannot be dated reliably to any time before the gospels were written. The Yeshu story could easily have been writen as a reaction/parody to the gospel story. We've been over this before too often.

Solitary Man · 06-02-2008, 09:39 AM

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Is there any reason to think that 'Yeshu' is Jesus??

It's the same name.

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