aa5874

After being on this forum for over 6 years it has been drawn to my attention that many are terrified to investigate the History of the Church and to show that the Pauline writer was most likely an invented 1st century character and that there were Pauline NO letters to Churches before c 70 ce

Once it can be shown that there were NO Pauline letters or that the Pauline letters were UNKNOWN before c 70 CE then we can deduce that the History of the Church as stated in writings attributed to Eusebius are based on Fiction.

First of all in the Canon, there is NO known date of authorship of any Pauline letter.

The author of Acts did NOT acknowledge that Saul/Paul wrote letters to Churches.

In the 2nd Epistle of Peter it is claimed Paul wrote a letter but AGAIN there is NO date when such a letter was composed.

However, the very First supposed Historian of the Church claimed the second Epistle of Peter does NOT belong to the Canon.

Church History 3.3.1 Astonishingly, the Only Canonised writing to mention that Paul wrote a letter is Acknowledged as a Forgery by a supposed Bishop of the Church.

So, We have NOTHING at all for the supposed letters of Paul.

No date of authorship and NO Corroboration in the Canon itself for the Pauline letters.

aeebee50

Maybe Tertius in Romans 16:22, being Paul’s Amanuensis, did most of the writing. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_is_Ter...ns_16_verse_22. I can see Paul always on the run from the Hebrews being afraid they would kill him. http://www.wilmettechurchofchrist.or...ts9v19b-31.pdf. Even Luke stated the Jews were out to kill Paul.

aa5874

You mean Hebrews were AFRAID of Paul.

Acts 9:26 KJV In the NT Paul was supposedly a Persecutor so the supposed Hebrew would be AFRAID of him.

Galatians 1:13 KJV Now, WHEN did the supposed Paul write any letters???

There are NO date of authorship for the letters and the author of Acts of the Apostles did NOT even claim Saul/Paul wrote letters.

aeebee50

Thanks. I did not think of the Hebrews being afraid of Paul. In my opinion, the Romans or Caesar would be more of a fear to them. Good thought.

Question: WHEN did the supposed Paul write any letters?
Supposedly, I thought it was around 50 AD.
From the Catholic Planet: http://www.catholicplanet.com/TSM/NT-Luke.htm
They have the earliest dates I have seen. From their calculations I cited their article, “When Were Luke's Gospel and Acts Written?

In my book, Important Dates in the Lives of Jesus and Mary, I conclude that those two whole years must have been early A.D. 44 to early A.D. 46, that is, until early in the 7th year of Nero. (Note that, in my revised chronology of Christ's life, He was born in 15 B.C. and crucified in A.D. 19.) As concluded above, the Gospel of Luke and Acts of the Apostles were both most likely written during these first two years that Paul spent in Rome, between early A.D. 44 and early A.D. 46.”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Colossians
Norman Geisler has done research on the dates of the Bible. He dates Acts around 60-62 AD. Mr. Geisler would be more reliable than I am with my limited knowledge.
http://www.bethinking.org/resource.php?ID=233. Geisler quotes a Roman historian, “ Colin Hemer has provided powerful evidence that Acts was written between AD 60 and 62.”
Thanks again for making me research. The studies continue.

aa5874

You provided NOTHING of substance. I ask for ACTUAL evidence from antiquity but you give me the Belief of Christians--Mr. Geisler is a Christian so he MUST BELIEVE the Bible is history.

Let me repeat.

In the Pauline letters there are NO dates of authorship.

In Acts of the Apostles, the author did NOT even state Saul/Paul wrote letters.

The 2nd Epistle of Peter, regarded as a forgery by the Church, has NO date when Paul wrote any letters.

Please, I do NOT accept presumptions and assumptions as evidence from antiquity.

In the NT Canon itself there is NO actual date of authorship of any Pauline letter and NO corroboration so I cannot PRESUME they were written before c 70 CE.

aeebee50

Since the last sites were not what you required, I will endeavor to use Atheist's sites. I truly was trying to find the earliest dates, but my books may all be Christian. There were sites which were not favorable to Paul, but I would have to check hard to make sure they are not Christian. Because of Paul's action in Acts 15:36-41, I was angry with him for not taking John/Mark. I stopped being angry in II Timothy 4:11, when he changed his tune and requested John/Mark. It does seem there are a lot of people who do not like Paul. Sorry, I will try to give other sources.

aa5874

Please, I do not want to be engaged in any emotional issues. I am doing history.

If we go through the NT Canon word by word we will NOT see any date for the authorship of any Pauline letter and even more remarkable is that the author of Acts did NOT even claim Saul/Paul wrote any letters to Churches even though the author claimed SAUL/Paul was in Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, and even Rome.

The Only other source that mentioned a Pauline letter supposedly in the 1st century is an Anonymous letter.

The Anonymous letter is attributed to Clement of Rome, a most questionable character.

However, we have the very same problem. It is NOT stated when the Pauline letter was written.

Examine the Anonymous letter of Unknown date of authorship..

First Clement There is NO corroboration that the Pauline letters were composed before c 70 CE even from Apologetic sources.

aeebee50

Thanks. I will try to monitor your posts to see if you are anyone can find an earlier date

aa5874

The Pauline letters are EXTREMELY significant because a Pauline writer claimed he was in a Basket by a Wall in Damascus during the reign of King Aretas. See 2 Cor.11.31-32 and Acts 9.


Acts 9:25 KJV2 Corinthians 11:33 KJV Who saw Paul write a letter to any Church??


It was NOT THE AUTHOR of Acts.

Steve Weiss

Religion and religionists have no respect for the truth. To those types faith trumps facts, so you are like a Don Quixote dealing with believers.