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aa5874 · 02-15-2008, 07:35 AM

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Do you mean no-one in the entire universe can provide any credible non-apologetic information that Jesus, the twelve disciples and Paul of the NT actually lived in the 1st century?

Plenty of people can provide evidence that THEY consider credible. You're challenging others to convince you you're wrong. A truly skeptical approach would have you trying to prove yourself wrong.

Where are those people who have information that they consider credible from non-apologetic sources about the 14 characters of the NT?

You may be confusing "faith" and "facts".

spamandham · 02-15-2008, 07:51 AM

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Where are those people who have information that they consider credible from non-apologetic sources about the 14 characters of the NT?

You may be confusing "faith" and "facts".

You already know who they are. You debate them regularly in various threads. It isn't valid to say "Jesus didn't exist, because the only documentation of him comes from apologetic sources" Your dismissing 'apologetic sources' as if they had no historical value at all.

aa5874 · 02-15-2008, 08:02 AM

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Where are those people who have information that they consider credible from non-apologetic sources about the 14 characters of the NT?

You may be confusing "faith" and "facts".

You already know who they are. You debate them regularly in various threads. It isn't valid to say "Jesus didn't exist, because the only documentation of him comes from apologetic sources" Your dismissing 'apologetic sources' as if they had no historical value at all.

You are the one who claimed that they are "plenty of people that can provide evidence that THEY consider credible".

Where are they?

I have dismissed no-one. I have challenged the entire population of the universe to provide any credible non-apologetic information that can show that Jesus, his 12 disciples and Paul are not fiction.

Doug Shaver · 02-15-2008, 08:09 AM

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Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

If you mean, can anyone here convince that you're wrong, you have made it as obvious as can be that the answer is no.

Doug Shaver · 02-15-2008, 08:14 AM

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A truly skeptical approach would have you trying to prove yourself wrong.

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aa5874 · 02-15-2008, 08:50 AM

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Is there anyone who can prove I am wrong?

If you mean, can anyone here convince that you're wrong, you have made it as obvious as can be that the answer is no.

Do you not understand the difference between "proof" and "convince"?
There are those who are convinced that Jesus of the NT is not fiction, but have no proof, I ,on the other hand, am convinced that Jesus, the twelve and Paul are fiction, because the NT IS PROVEN FICTION

scotsmanmatt1 · 02-15-2008, 09:00 AM

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If you mean, can anyone here convince that you're wrong, you have made it as obvious as can be that the answer is no.

Do you not understand the difference between "proof" and "convince"?
There are those who are convinced that Jesus of the NT is not fiction, but have no proof, I ,on the other hand, am convinced that Jesus, the twelve and Paul are fiction, because the NT IS PROVEN FICTION

Matt
Can you point me to this proof that the NT is fiction?

aa5874 · 02-15-2008, 09:36 AM

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Do you not understand the difference between "proof" and "convince"?
There are those who are convinced that Jesus of the NT is not fiction, but have no proof, I ,on the other hand, am convinced that Jesus, the twelve and Paul are fiction, because the NT IS PROVEN FICTION

Matt
Can you point me to this proof that the NT is fiction?

There are many more fictitious events but I will give you this, for now.

Luke 1.30-31&34 -35

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And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS.

Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

1. Angels do not exist.
2. Mary could not have spoken to an angel.
3. Mary claimed she had no sexual contact with any man, so Mary could not have a child at that time.
4. There is no such thing as an Holy Ghost.
5. The Holy Ghost cannot impregnate Mary.

I conclude Jesus, as described in the NT, is fiction

scotsmanmatt1 · 02-15-2008, 09:49 AM

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Matt
Can you point me to this proof that the NT is fiction?

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There are many more fictitious events but I will give you this, for now.

Luke 1.30-31&34 -35

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And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS.

Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

1. Angels do not exist.
2. Mary could not have spoken to an angel.
3. Mary claimed she had no sexual contact with any man, so Mary could not have a child at that time.
4. There is no such thing as an Holy Ghost.
5. The Holy Ghost cannot impregnate Mary.

I conclude Jesus, as described in the NT, is fiction

Can you substantiate #1, #3 and #4 as true?

spamandham · 02-15-2008, 09:56 AM

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You are the one who claimed that they are "plenty of people that can provide evidence that THEY consider credible".

Where are they?

Ok, there aren't any. You win.

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I have challenged the entire population of the universe to provide any credible non-apologetic information that can show that Jesus, his 12 disciples and Paul are not fiction.

Hopefully, the entire population of the universe has read this thread then.

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