WilliamFearless

Name one.

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Some scholars claim the valleys hold clues to a global flood.

Sheshbazzar

I was raised in a Bible believing, church attending Christian household, and was a bible believer from as early as I can remember- I can recall saying grace before meals, and being on my knees making my nightly prayers as early as 4 or 5 years old.
My family had intentions that I would enter the ministry and become an ordained minister, and I was often urged in that direction.
I attended church throughout my teen years, and when I finally married and had my own children, as a family we regularly attended church.

It was at this time, around the age of 20 that I began to study the Bible in earnest, over the next 40 years I literally wore out several Bibles, took up studying Hebrew, and also obtained several Torah's and Hebrew language versions of The New Testement.
All of which I still have in my possession, along with countless pages of notes and detailed Hebrew 'word' and subject studies. (although I now do most of my Torah and Bible reading online- as it is much more convenient for cross referencing- back in the 70's it was not unusual that I would spend entire nights with half a dozen versions of The Bible and Concordances spread out on the table while I laboriously cross referenced and examined the texts word by word)
I first came across this Forum in 2002, and did not make my first posts here until 2003, when I finally began my defense of the Bible and the Faith against the charges being leveled by the Atheists here. It was only last year, after over 58 years of living as a 'God fearing' Bible believer, and around 6 years of consideration of all that I was learning here, that the accumulating preponderance of evidence troubled my conscience to the point that I could no longer make up excuses for a book and a religion that when objectively examined, was faulty and deficient on all counts.

So you might excuse me if I'm not overly impressed with your level of 'knowledge' or 'understanding' of the Biblical texts.

mountainman

Go Johnny-Be-Good!

It is an example of the need for an infallible authority to point to which has been handed down --- in many cases with great authoritarianism from the christian fathers (and mothers) to the christian sons (and daughters) --- in blind ignorance of the ancient historical facts which were accepted by the large portion of the populace in that epoch when the bible was first bound together for the purposes of the political unification of the savage, barbaric and ruthlessly driven Roman empire.

Sai

Well sure, there is some poetry, some good advice, some bad advice....
there are a lot of books to read. I've read that one cover to cover.

I just cant take it as some inerrant thing from god. that is ridiculous.

Sai

that is really a sad story. what an awful waste of time.

Sheshbazzar

Oh not really sad, I had my good times, and during it of course, the confidence that I was doing the 'right' thing.
In perspective I look back on it as all a period of intensive training for my present vocation.
But I cannot thank enough, all those posters here who finally 'bitch slapped' me back into reality

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There is a continuum with "atheists" where some hold the bible is the most ridiculous thing ever while others study it carefully. Those that study it carefully know it better than most clergy.

This is what makes IBIH sweeping generalizations of "atheists" so absurd.

There is also a similar continuum of "theists" where those who believe in inerrancy are at one extreme while those who actually study the bible generally have similar views to the "atheists" who study it.

IBelieveInHymn

Hydrologic evidence points to the rapid deposition of sedimentary rock layers. Therefore, the thousand's of metres of sediment must have been deposited by a catastrophic global flood.

Hydrologic evidence points to the world's sedimentary rocks being deposited in one continuous episode. All the layers could have been laid down by a single event, such as a global flood.

There is a worldwide occurrence of deep alluvial deposits and sedimentary rocks consistent with a huge global flood.

There is a universal occurrence of rivers in valleys too large for the present stream. Slow erosion over millions of years could not have created these valleys as the mountains would have eroded, keeping pace with the valley erosion. The drainage of global floodwaters from the land surface could easily create such wide valleys in a short period of time.

Laurence D Smart B.Sc.Agr., Dip.Ed., Grad.Dip.Ed



The lethal wound to uniformitarian geology is to be found within the great fossil graveyards that exist in every major country, especially the Americas. In these fossil graveyards vast numbers of creatures are violently mixed together. There are dinosaur graveyards in America and China with hundreds of dinosaurs mixed and buried together.

How did they get there in such vast quantities?

Many fossil graveyards are high up in mountainous areas. In Sicily, for example, four thousand feet above sea level on Mount Etna, there are two graves crammed with the bones of thousands of hippopotamus in each cave. On the island of Malta there are lions, tigers, mammoths, birds, beavers, hippopotamus and foxes all mixed together.

"Fossils are a great embarrassment to evolutionary theory." (Dr. Gary Parker, PhD - Biologist/Palaeontologist)

Dr. Steven Austin
John Woodmorappe.
Michael Oard.
Professor Donald DeYoung (a physics professor at Grace College in northern Indiana's Winona Lake

WilliamFearless

Could you actually link to primary sources? Like your claim of dinosaur graveyards, or "Hydrologic evidence"? That's kind of what I was asking, sorry if I didn't make that clear.

So far, none of you creationists have been able to answer these questions about the flood, I even tried asking them here.

Also, you can check out all the flood-related discussions here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and particularly here in reference to AiG.

Laurence D Smart seems to be a lesser-known creationist writer from the 80's who has never published his claims in anything other than popular books for Christians, and Gary Parker and his AiG cohorts have had their PRATT arguments refuted here many many times. The thing is, they work for Christian creationist/apologist organizations known for being incapable of presenting any verifiable empirical scientific evidence for ANY of their claims. They are pretty much the laughingstock of the academic community because of their lack of even a shred of evidence or publication in any peer-reviewed scientific journal to support their crazy claims.

Now, if you happen to actually know of any actual evidence, feel free to post a link in the E/C forums.