aa5874

Well, I must acknowledge your contribution especially the very OP. You provide the most comprehensive list of those who did NOT write about Paul or the Pauline letters.

The chronology of the Pauline writings is extremely easy to decipher.

Marcion was Already DEAD long Before the Pauline letters were fabricated.

All supposed early sources that claimed there were Pauline letters before and during the time of Marcion are historically bogus.

1. Aristides was a contemporary of Marcion and did NOT acknowledge Paul.

2. Justin was a contemporary of Marcion and wrote Nothing at all of Pauline letters.

3. Celsus was a contemporary of Marcion and wrote Nothing about Paul according to Origen.

4. Octavius in the writings of Municius Felix did NOT use the Pauline writings at all when he attempted to convert Caecillius to Christianity.

5. Hippolytus wrote about Marcion and claimed Marcion did NOT use the Pauline letters for his teachings.

6. Ephrem the Syrian wrote Against Marcion and wrote virtually Nothing about the Pauline letters.

So, we have at least six Apologetic sources that contradict any claims that the Pauline writings were known up to the mid 2nd century or used by Marcion.

But, examine your own list of APOLOGETICS who wrote NOTHING of Pauline letters.

There are over 25 APOLOGETIC WITNESSES who did NOT acknowledge the Pauline letters Before and After Marcion.


The writings about Pauline letters attributed to Clement, Ignatius, Tertullian, and Irenaeus are historically bogus.

There were NO Pauline letters before c 190 CE

Marcion was ALREADY Dead before the Pauline letters were composed.

The Evidence is Overwhelming from APOLOGETIC SOURCES.

jakejonesiv

Justin in Apology 1.26 wrote:
"And there is Marcion, a man of Pontus, who is even at this day alive, and teaching his disciples to believe in some other god greater than the Creator. And he, by the aid of the devils, has caused many of every nation to speak blasphemies, and to deny that God is the maker of this universe, and to assert that some other being, greater than He, has done greater works. All who take their opinions from these men, are, as we before said, called Christians"

Isn't that interesting? All those who followed Marcion and the Gnostics were called Christians.

Jake

jakejonesiv

Who knows what knowledge was lost due to the Decree of Theophilus in 391 CE? See Historia Ecclesiastica, by Socrates of Constantinople. The Catholic Church was out to destrtoy everything contrary to itself.

maryhelena

So the devil makes people into Christians.....:constern01:

aa5874

Christians were called Godless and Atheists in antiquity by even those who were also Christians.

Justin's Dialogue with Trypho LXXX Justin's First ApologyAthenagoras' Plea For the Christians IV

aa5874

Enough information has been found to let us deduce that the Pauline letters were composed AFTER 190 CE and that the writings called "Against All Heresies" attributed to Irenaeus and "Against Marcion" attributed to Tertullian were massive forgeries.

It is virtually impossible to destroy all actual history.

The Roman Church needed to invent their OWN history of the Church but it was not corroborated by OVER 25 Christian writers in the 2nd century.

Examine some of the Jesus cult of Christians writings that were NOT destroyed.

We have enough writibgs that support the argument that the Pauline writings were composed AFTER Marcion was already dead.

jakejonesiv

Apparently so.

And Polycarp himself replied to Marcion, who met him on one occasion, and said, "Dost thou know me? "I do know thee, the first-born of Satan."Adv. Haer. V.33.4

jakejonesiv

Every time I mention the name of Marcion, and now even when I don't, you supply a very timely response. I think it is important that I acknowlege your contribution.

jakejonesiv

Tertullian wrote five books against Marcion.

Jake

Duvduv

I wonder if "third century Tertullian" was working from Ernest Hemingway or Mark Twain when he wrote against "Marcion."