Roger Pearse

My sentiments exactly, considering your assertion above.

You're welcome to believe it if you wish. The world I live in contains dishonest politicians and corrupt clergmen. You are fortunate if yours does not.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

ohmi

No private interpretation of scripture is valid:

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

The scripture of saints states simply that those who name Christ must stop sinning and so become saints, no more unlovingness... I cannot manage that yet, so I am not a Christian , but the scripture records that 144,000 will do so before Jesus returns, so about one in a million are Christians, saints...

Jesus also records what happens to those who call him their lord, but are not saints by the time of his return , they are left behind gnashing their teeth because no-one who has not stopped unlovingness can be translated to spirit ...

this means simply that they join the many who go by the broad way through being freed from unloving ways by death , and are redeemed to spirit only after showing a loving new life in the new earth [Rev 7:9-10] after resurrection.

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Doug Shaver

So does mine, and nothing I have said implies that I think otherwise.

ChuckE99

But it's ALL private interpretation, from the unknown person who compiled oral tradition into the original source document (some call "Q", but let's not get into that, let's just assume there was some sort of transition from oral to written), to a man we call "Matthew" interpretting what he read in that source document, and then writing down his own versions in GMatthew, in Greek, to the myriad translators who, well, translated the Greek into whatever language they needed, to you when you select particular passages to quote here to support your positions.

It's filtering and bias all the way down. Nothing in the Bible is "valid" according to your definition.

Sheshbazzar

No offense intended ohmi, but even this single verse, I do not interpret to mean what your above given interpretation interprets it as meaning.

storytime

From the story, I would have to conclude the true identity of "Christian" would be as Jesus said, those who obey his command to follow him. And, as Jesus was a Jew who did not depart from his way, truth and life in Judaism, and as he declared that any who desired to follow him should leave behind their way for his, then this instruction in identifying a "christian" is one that converts to Judaism. Unless you want to think that Jesus was teaching a non Jewish doctrine.

Sheshbazzar

Oh! Horrors! That would remove the christian clergy's longstanding "right" to neglect and dismiss whatever commandments of Scripture they please!
And annul their claims to the tithe of every purse!

storytime

Lets see if I can understand your point more clearly. It's all private interpretations coming from each prophet?. Therein lies no single interpretation? This would then seem to apply to the next verses (1Pet.1:21 and 2:1) where it says "For the prophecy came not at any time by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." And then this verse "But.. there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who secretly shall bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord that brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

This admonition is to be alert to false teaching as many prophets had many interpretations in the older days and had been exposed in their false sayings.

Wasn't this the reason for prophecy being condemned(caused to cease, silenced) in the OT? For no man could tell the future,(Ye have seen nothing!") and were deemed as "dreamers of dreams"? Liars? I'm getting a little ahead of myself here, but wouldn't Peter be judged as a false prophet in his vision[dream] from a roof top?

storytime

Well, it is all about money, isn't it. :devil1:

Doug Shaver

What other kind of interpretation is there? Public interpretation? What's that?