Baidarka

Dear Mr. Mrimmoderate

"And maybe people like this are just plain wrong."
Yes maybe Maccoby was wrong about some things and maybe he was right about many things.
"From his writings it would seem that Maccoby was obsessed with anti-Jewish issues and saw this attitude everywhere."
Hyam's writings were not paranoid he expressed his ideas clearly and rationally. Clearly there is much antisemitism in the NT and Maccoby was not afraid to confront it head on.
" T.S. Elliott wrote Christian oriented material so he must be anti-Jewish, right?"
This is a non sequitur. Why did you bring this up? Read this and get your facts straight. http://books.guardian.co.uk/poetry/f...972109,00.html

"Paul, even though is claimed to be of the Pharisee himself, lived and died a good Jew.....but, because he felt that Jesus was the Messiah he must have made it all up, right?"
How could he be a Pharisee when he apparently never read the Torah in Hebrew?By whose definition? Where is your evidence? Why do you say he lived and died as a good Jew? He preached against Jewish law. He brought uncircumcised Goyim into the temple. He preached against circumcision. He was definitely a very bad Jew.

"Gimme a break, Maccoby was just another bigot. Maybe a bit more diplomatic about how he discredited those who he did not like or ideas that he did not agree with but a bigot none the less."
Please cite one example of a bigoted statement by Mr. Maccoby.
"It is however a shame when the world loses anyone who makes us think. I hope Mr. Maccoby is where he believed he would be."
How nice and enigmatic of you!
"It is ridiculous to accuse me of claiming that anti-Jewish attitudes do not prevail. I know that they do and always have."
Please show that your strange assertion that antisemitism is a permanent natural human fact that has always existed is in any way supportable.
Hogwash!
"That does not make people like Maccoby right for seeing anti-Jewish sentiment within everyone that did not agree with him."
Please find an example to support this assertion.
"The screams of "anti-semetism" are about as overdone as the screams of "it's because I'm black". Not every issue has to do with race."
Who are these screamers that you are referring to? Why have you tried to confuse the issue by adding your bigotry against Black people to you apparent bigotry against Jews. What's your problem? Why do you think that Hyam thought that every issue has to do with race?

"Paul was not a Jew? How conveniently members of this forum just discount whatever they don't want to be by saying it just wasn't so. For all we know, Maccoby wasn't a Jew either. After all, Grey Owl turned out not to be an American Native Indian as he was thought to be. Oh yea, turns out Grey Owl was a Jew."
I can't keep up with your wondering mind, your all over the place. Another strange non sequitur. How did Grey Owl get into this and why do you think that this strange man is a Jew please elaborate. This site confirms that he was not an Indian but it also asserts that he went to a Christian School.
http://www.virtualsk.com/current_iss...y_owl_bio.html
If he was Jewish how would that help your argument? He sure don't look Jewish
"Jews who did not accept Jesus as the Messiah were the only Jews who beat Paul and other followers of Jesus."
Jews were not the only people that beat up Paul for his crime of perverting young people by preaching against family values and perverting society.
Jews chased him from their towns because he preached against Jewish law. He brought uncircumcised Goyim into the temple. He preached against circumcision. He was definitely a very bad Jew
"Of course, the only way for today's bigoted Jews to keep up the anti-Jewish rheteric that they claim from the New Testament is to claim that all of the writers who are described as Jews were lying."
Who are these bigoted Jews? Please point them out so we can all get mad at them. Mr. Maccoby did question Paul's Jewish and Pharisee credentials but I really can't figure out what your trying to say here. Are you saying that bigoted Jews are spewing anti-Jewish rhetoric?
Are you saying that they are saying that the writers who are described as Jewish NT writers are all liers? Are they lying about being Jewish or about something else? Now you got me all confused!
"This is the same mindset that the 4th century Romans had when they created the anti-Jewish attitude in the Roman Catholic Church."
Those Roman Catholics sure are trouble makers at last we have some common ground.
"I'm sorry, but bigot is not too strong of a word to be used for someone who distorts literature to cause racial seperation. White Supremists, Muslims and some Asian cultures do this all the time."
I'm glad that you have finally come to your senses and said something that we can all agree with. If Mr Hyam Maccoby were here he would agree with you also!

Al Kafirun

Well, I was going to say all that, but then Baidarka beat me to it. LOL Well done, Baidarka.

mrmoderate

So, I take it we disagree?

Baidarka

Only a little bit and only about trivial details.

Amaleq13

With regard to mrmoderate's claim:

It would also seem relevantly contrary that, in none of the depictions of a Jewish trial of Jesus is claiming to be the Messiah brought against him as a charge.

This, taken with the depiction of Gamaliel's response in Acts 5, strongly suggests that there is no basis to mrmoderate's claim.