Chili

Interesting to note here is that "Adam's partner pre-Eve" was called man (as in the non-rational animal man) and the woman that you call Lilith was taken from man and therefore was the void (read serpent) with the animal [man] foot (imprint).

inquisitive01

Um... I'm not seeing the name "Lilith" anywhere in the Bible, so where in the world is this name ("Lilith") supposed to have come from?

Dean Anderson

The Hebrew word lylyt used in Isiah 34:14.

This is a strange verse, that talks of many creatures that are problematic to translate into English. Some translations use normal creatures 'wolf', 'goat', 'screech-owl' assuming that the Hebrew words must have meant mundane creatures. Some, however, take the Hebrew at face value - so we get 'Satyr', 'Lamia', etc.

lylyt is translated variously as 'Screech-Owl' (in the KJV), 'Night Monster' (in the ASV), 'Night Owl' (in the YLT) and 'Lamia' (in the Douay-Rehims).

The myth of Lilith being Adam's first wife stems from Jewish mysticism, and has been inherited by the Catholic church and by Gnostics. It was originally an extra-biblical apologetic for the difference between the Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 creation accounts.

Genesis 1 has Man and Woman being created together on day 6 of Creation. Genesis 2 has Eve being created some time after Adam.

The apologetic invented to cover this was that the woman mentioned in Genesis 1 obviously wasn't Eve - so Adam must have had a 'first' partner who wasn't willing to submit to him like Eve did and instead left Eden to go pursue her own goals.

This first partner was obviously not named, but two other verses were used to flesh out the story.

It was suggested that Genesis 6:2 - that talks about the 'Sons of God' taking on mortal wives was talking about Lilith mating with demons after she rejected Adam and left Eden.

Similarly, the ambiguous word lylyt was taken and used as a name for her.

The myth of Lilith also owes a lot to the legends of the crone who comes in the night and either steals or kills babies. These legends were merged with the Lilith myth, and she became the monster, jealous of Adam and Eve's offspring.

Pyrrho

That is a very unnatural way of looking at it. Capital punishment is not generally considered to be "everlasting".

It should also be remembered that, in the context of the Christian Bible, "death" does not imply an end to anything, as one is supposed to be able to live in heaven forever after one dies. "Death" is, therefore, only a transformation, not an end.

Chili

Wow, what an elaboration, but let me tell you what I think and this is based just on my interpretation of Gen.1, 2 and 3.

In Gen.1 only the essence of man was created and this essence was to be formed in Gen.2. where only man was formed and woman was taken from man to be his flesh of flesh and bone of bones (i.e. to be his template or footprint after which man had been created).

This template was called woman for she was the womb-of-man and these two will become one through understanding as they pertain to the same mind of one man.

Note here that Adam was not created but that man was created and woman was taken from man as a representation of man to be comprehended by man as the God nature of himself.

As an aside, in Revelation this God nature is called Alpha, which was at the beginning and will always be ours as the beginning but will be different for each one of us since we all have a different beginning . . . yet must be understood before we can become the Alpha and Omega.

Now we go to Gen. 3 where Adam was conjectured by man and called into existence by Lord God (who is Alpha of man) because "the woman ate it" (verse 13) after the serpent had tricked her.

The un-named woman was not Eve nor was man equal to Adam in Gen.1 and 2. Adam was called into existence in Gen.3 by the conscious mind of man as a second identity of man and this is the identity that would exist outside of Eden and take the serpent as its companion to further the knowledge of man that would be retained by the woman and so change the footprint of man-in-the-image-of-God with each generation to come.

A simple solution would be to call Adam our ego identity that cannot be identified by us until the woman (later called Mary) places her footprint in our conscious mind (called rebirth) so we might become the Alpha and the Omega at last and simply know who we are and whence we came.

inquisitive01

The Second Death is an end, therefore it would be everlasting death. The "death" you are referring to is the first death (before resurrection and judgement, where all of those not saved will "have their part in the lake of fire, which is the Second Death").

inquisitive01

I'm assuming that you are talking about the word satyr in Isaiah 34:14. If so, I don't understand what you're point is. If not, I don't understand much of anything you've posted (i.e., where this idea comes from, etc.).

Mageth

Look here:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...4-4120.html#14

Look at liyliyth (translated 'screech owl' in KJV).

Look at how it's translated in other versions:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...8-5791.html#14

inquisitive01

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Where does the word "essence" come in here? :huh:

inquisitive01

Well, not surprisingly, some of these newer versions don't seem to say the same things. I still do not understand what you're point is regarding this? :huh: