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Steven Carr · 08-12-2012, 03:36 PM

Here is Hoffman explaining in 2009, why James was not the brother of Jesus, how Galatians 4:4 is an interpolation etc etc etc

http://rjosephhoffmann.wordpress.com...b-debacle-rip/

And now Hoffman praises Maurice Casey, who can tell us the exact Aramaic words that Jesus spoke at the Last Supper.....

Dave31 · 08-14-2012, 09:09 AM

Interesting, will this new book by Maurice Casey also address the numerous sloppy & egregious errors in Bart Ehrman's latest "hack job" (Dr. Robert Price), 'Did Jesus Exist?'

Over 60 Rebuttals to Bart Ehrman's Anti-Mythicist book 'Did Jesus Exist?'

:huh:

OLDMAN · 08-23-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke Leto

There might well have been a historical House of Atreus at Mycenae, so it isn't impossible that a group of chieftains descended from Heracles really did lead a bunch of Dorians (maybe after perfecting iron weapons) into Southern Greece.

Perhaps so, but isn't the relevant analogy to Jesus, the Herakles who had paternal DNA from Zeus, and who performed miracles, and whose mother was a mortal human, and who, upon death, ascended to Mount Olympus to join the other gods?

Remember please, that OLDMAN's comment indicated that, as a mythicist, I am unable to claim, with emphasis, that Jesus is a purely fictional entity. I argue, contrarily that both Jesus and Herakles are Greek demigods, in the finest mythological tradition. I lump Jesus and Herakles with Superman and Paul Bunyan: purely fictional inventions of a creative homo sapiens.

I see your point, of course as an atheist, I do not beleive Jesus was half god, but something triggered the myth. I certainly wasn't the needs of the Jews in Judea, who were looking for a messiah to overthrow the Romans and others. It wasn't the Romans who in the beginning had nothing to gain from a new religion of peace. So whence did the need for the gossip to spread from gossip to gospels? The only part of the NT that seems real to me are the actual teachings of Jesus.

MrMacSon · 08-23-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OLDMAN

.. I do not beleive Jesus was half god, but something triggered the myth. It certainly wasn't the needs of the Jews in Judea, who were looking for a messiah to overthrow the Romans and others. It wasn't the Romans who in the beginning had nothing to gain from a new religion of peace. So whence did the need for the gossip to spread from gossip to gospels? The only part of the NT that seems real to me are the actual teachings of Jesus.

Several biblical scholars have summized that the NT was a collation of stories that fulfilled OT prophecies. The "actual teachings" of Jesus are likely embellishments to literally & figuratively provide flesh to that collation of edited stories.

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08-12-2012, 03:36 PM	#21
Steven Carr Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: England Posts: 5,629	Here is Hoffman explaining in 2009, why James was not the brother of Jesus, how Galatians 4:4 is an interpolation etc etc etc http://rjosephhoffmann.wordpress.com...b-debacle-rip/ And now Hoffman praises Maurice Casey, who can tell us the exact Aramaic words that Jesus spoke at the Last Supper.....

08-14-2012, 09:09 AM	#22
Dave31 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Posts: 425	Interesting, will this new book by Maurice Casey also address the numerous sloppy & egregious errors in Bart Ehrman's latest "hack job" (Dr. Robert Price), 'Did Jesus Exist?' Over 60 Rebuttals to Bart Ehrman's Anti-Mythicist book 'Did Jesus Exist?' :huh:

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