Clouseau

So your point is preposterous.

Then I cannot help.

Clouseau

I can assure you that they do have the organization to make it work; there is not the opportunity to apply coercion, in these here degenerate, democratic days- not obviously, anyway. No-one should ever take the word 'Protestant' to necessarily mean anything less worldly than 'Catholic' when it applies to actual people. Remember that Constantine made 'Christianity' into a political and cultural factor at least as much as a spiritual one; the Reformation had to be political and cultural if it was to displace Catholicism. Many more Prots were, and are pagan than Christian, particularly clerics. The creation of Prot denominations has been entirely a process of attempting, by various ruses, to re-assert Constantinian control over Christians.

Only now is the church returning to its original expression, that of ordinary people meeting in their own houses without any reference to a man in a dog collar, or any other imposed authority. Such folk are most unlikely to torture anyone; there is more likelihood that they will be persecuted and tortured.

Sauron

Interesting claim - as most of your comments are.

Do you have any evidence that cathedrals were built on the backs of the poor?

Uh, no.

Which does not address the original poster's comment: regardless of organization, corruption exists.

Sure you can: the original poster pointed out that corruption infects all organizations. Your appeal to read the bible didn't clarify that or make the problem go away. If you want to help, explain your comment.

Or perhaps you didn't even *have* a rebuttal? If not, we'll assume you agree and concede the point.

Paul2

??? then why the fuck are you posting on a *gasp* discussion board? seriously...wtf?