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InquisitorGeneralis · 07-08-2006, 12:08 PM

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Secondly, The church itself wasn't the one engaging in the activity it was members of the clergy doing science in spite of the church.

How was it "in spite of the Church" if the Church was funding it and building the university system behind it? Furthermore, this is a funny thing about secularists. If the Church does something you dislike, you blame it on the Church. If the Church does something you find favorable, you say "members of the Church" did it. In other words, your side is highly inconsistent in making this distinction (or, rather, consistent in only using it in ways that would be favorable to the secularist agenda).

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Now you're twisting my words. What I meant, and apparenlty you missed, was that the clergy was actually afforded the benefits of having the education and free time to be able to persue scientific endeavors. Something a peasant who has to work 15+ hours a day didn't have the luxury of doing.

And, what you missed in what I said was that these clergymen weren't just engaging in science in their "free time." Science is what some of them actually did.

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And I didn't disagree. You just tried to twist my words into something evil.

I didn't twist anything. You made it appear that these priests merely engaged in science in their "free time."

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Just because many scientists at the time were Catholic really doesn't mean anything at all for the Church as a whole. This is almost as laughable as when you see muslims trying to do the same equivocation about Islam.

Well, it would be laughable if that had been the argument I had made, but it wasn't. It's one thing to say that many Catholics were scientists, and I agree that that would be about meaningless (many "Catholics" today believe abortion is a-ok, too). It's another thing to say that many Catholic priests have been scientists. This goes a long way in showing that the Catholic Church is not "anti-science," as many secularists believe.

Bonniedundee · 07-09-2006, 09:10 PM

Man catholic-fascists that's original.:wave:

InquisitorGeneralis · 07-10-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Euro_agnostic

Man catholic-fascists that's original.:wave:

No less original than European agnostics, I suppose.

InquisitorGeneralis · 07-10-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Euro_agnostic

Man catholic-fascists that's original.:wave:

No less original than European agnostics, I suppose. But it's neither here nor there, really. I'd rather be right than original.

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