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Old 07-09-2009, 06:27 PM   #1
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I've heard it mentioned that the total sayings of Jesus would barely fill 2 or 3 pages. Is this a correct assessment? Doesn't that seem like a really low total considering the length of his ministry and his love of lecturing?
Any sayings about the topic of the day - Rome's decree of heresy? The Gospel writers must have been on a club med - they forgot to mention a Holocaust in their midst. That's like the NT Times not mentioning 9/11 on 9/12. That's a lie-by-omission.

The hands that did the genocide of a million Jews claimed Goddidit and revelled and sang IN JC Halleluyah. But my history lessons says NEGATIVE - the Europeans who became Christians did it - same as with the 2nd Holocaust. Someone is telling fibs.
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The authors of the NT cast Jesus as a PR front-man
for the importance of the imperial taxation policies.
Step (1): Pay tax to Caesar.
Step (2): God is in second place.
You ignore the larger social/historical context that refusing to pay taxes to Caesar would be a revolutionary act and lead to the destruction of Israel.

Negative. The Jews paid their taxes, even when these were made higher than that of all other nations. The revolt began when Nero resurrected Caligula's heresy decree. The Jews refused to conduct sacrifices for Rome's depraved Emperors, even rejecting Titus' compromise to house those statues in the temple's outer forecourt. The Jews became the only nation which challenged Rome on the grounds of Belief.

Rome lost - the Jews passed the test better than Abraham, sacrificing nation and all their substance - a display of belief never seen in history - there was no surrender to Rome's beliefs. To know truth of Israel - one must not rely on Christian or Islamic texts - both are contradictions from here to kingdom come.
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I've heard it mentioned that the total sayings of Jesus would barely fill 2 or 3 pages. Is this a correct assessment? Doesn't that seem like a really low total considering the length of his ministry and his love of lecturing?
Any sayings about the topic of the day - Rome's decree of heresy? The Gospel writers must have been on a club med - they forgot to mention a Holocaust in their midst. That's like the NT Times not mentioning 9/11 on 9/12. That's a lie-by-omission.

The hands that did the genocide of a million Jews claimed Goddidit and revelled and sang IN JC Halleluyah. But my history lessons says NEGATIVE - the Europeans who became Christians did it - same as with the 2nd Holocaust. Someone is telling fibs.
You make my head hurt...

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Hillel was by human standards a good and wise man, but he was also what Jesus called a "play-actor." This was because Hillel found ways of excusing people from what Jesus believed God's law required.
This you received from the Lord direct, I presume. Thanks for sharing !

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How would one who never followed the laws know, and why would one believe a Roman document which says so. If Europe followed Hillel, as opposed the Gospels, millions of innocent souls would not have perished.

'WHAT IS HATEFUL TO YOU - DO NOT UNTO OTHERS' [Hillel].

The European church murdered more innocent humans than any other in all Geo-History - far more than did Rome - even when ignoring their last two worst centuries of all. Because it followed depraved Rome for 1800 years and reversed Hillel's majestic teachings with this brazen calamity:

'WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOU - IS GOOD FOR OTHERS'

'BETTER TO DESTROY THEIR BODIES AND SAVE THEIR SOULS'

[Isabela of Spain, now deemed a Saint!]. Ugh! :constern02:

Very confusing.
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I've heard it mentioned that the total sayings of Jesus would barely fill 2 or 3 pages. Is this a correct assessment? Doesn't that seem like a really low total considering the length of his ministry and his love of lecturing?
Any sayings about the topic of the day - Rome's decree of heresy? The Gospel writers must have been on a club med - they forgot to mention a Holocaust in their midst..
The gMark may have been written before 70 A.D and recorded events which occurred many years earlier.

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A general range of dating for the Gospel of Mark can be suggested with reference to the external evidence. If the tradition of Markan authorship is accepted, Irenaeus implies that the Gospel of Mark was written after the death of Peter, traditionally set in Rome c. 65 CE. If the tradition is not accepted, as Nineham states (op. cit., p. 41), "Those who are cautious about accepting the Papias tradition can hardly put the lower limit much earlier, for they must allow time for the oral tradition to have developed in the way described above." The terminus ad quem is set by the incorporation of Mark into the Gospel of Matthew and into the Gospel of Luke. If the Gospel of Matthew was written in the last two decades of the first century, the most probable range of dating for the Gospel of Mark is from 65 to 80 CE.
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You ignore the larger social/historical context that refusing to pay taxes to Caesar would be a revolutionary act and lead to the destruction of Israel.

Negative. The Jews paid their taxes, even when these were made higher than that of all other nations.
Yes, the Jews rendered unto Caesar what was Caesar's.
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If they had to pay higher taxes no wonder they rebelled.
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If they had to pay higher taxes no wonder they rebelled.
Nothing to do with taxes. The first initiation of the war was Eleazar's ceasing of all sacrifices for Rome - this was in effect a declaration of war [Josephus]. The ruling for sacrifices was first initiated by a depraved Roman named Caligula - which Herod refused to enact, knowing it would cause open war. In 66 CE, depraved Nero resurrected this decree - and the rest is history. This was a theological battle for the right to freedom of belief - confronted by the Jews - alone again - naturally. And Mighty Rome lost.

The catholic church, which boastfully prefixed its name with that of depraved Rome - assuming also the heritage of the Hebrew bible, thinking Israel was dead - has never forgiven the Jews for existing and even resurrecting herself and a 2000 year dead language.


If there is ever proof that some Jews revelled with beedy eyes over the death of another Jew at the hands of the Romans, or that there was ever a trial as listed in the Gospels - I would readily agree this was a terrible and evil thing. But the ball is in the hands of the Gospel writers and those who accept those reports as truth: prove it. I know that Mad [2000 lashes per frame] Mel believes it.

The only applicable question is, what if the Gospels report is a total fiction by Rome - like the blood libels and the Protocols. How would Christians respond to the Jews? That's not a hypothetical question.
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The only applicable question is, what if the Gospels report is a total fiction by Rome - . .
See: Eusebian Fiction Postulate
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An intriguing statement, and one of great historical cadence. But why do christians think Jews would write a theology . .
According to the Eusebian Fiction Postulate, Jews didn't write the theology, it was the Romans vis-a-vis Eusebius.
How did the Quran come to accept some of the Gospels, I wonder. If a certain part of the Gospels is fiction [e.e. Immaculate birth - condoned as divine revelation by the Quran] - it will impact Islam also. This says why the jews are in the most dangerous situation the past 2000 years and a wonder they still exist.
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