Davka

Bullshit.

The claim "Jesus is the author of . . . " lies outside your self-imposed convenient little "purview," but that hasn't stopped you from making innumerable truth claims about the veracity of the Bible. You are playing both sides of the fence, and losing - against yourself.

Sheshbazzar

Ahhh, but it is "horse-shit" that so much better fits The word of Scripture.
Yo'deya eth'ha'Davar Ha'Elohim:

simon kole

The unanswered questions are about your own personal contradictions, presented here,

and then there's that anti-theistic comment, here, at the bottom of the post.

Sheshbazzar

simon, simon, simon. You think it bothers me that you link to your silly, confused, and uncomprehending questions? I gave my reply in the subsequent post.
As many times as you post that link, my reply also appears. That doesn't trouble me in the least.

simon kole

My personal beliefs are irrelevant to examination of the texts in their own terms.

And my innumerable claims about the veracity of the Bible have been:
its truth neither can be inescapably conclusively proven, nor disproven.
Both are a matter of faith.

And you know that.

Frank

Yeah right? As if we're even obligated to disprove every wonder filled myth in history in order to show mysticism is unfounded. There is no place a deity seems to exist, except in the minds of believers. If you think about it, virtually every religion on earth (especially true of Abrahamic faiths), is mutually exclusive. So every believer (as a matter of statistical probability) should expect damnation (unless I suppose you're some sort of deist with a very obscure version of a god).

If a bunch of people came up to me tomorrow and said their favorite religious sage could walk on water, produce fish from empty baskets, and resurrect people, I would think they were full of shit--unless they had video, scientific studies, rigorous peer review of those studies, solid confirmation the resurrected people were actually dead in the first place (and then more investigation, an investigation of the investigation), etc. etc. etc. I guess people weren't quite as curious back in the day. Somehow along the way it collected more sophisticated people, but nothing changes the fact that the bible (from beginning to end) has every stamp of mythology.

There's no contemporaneous witnesses, it all traces back to a few men who spread a story (that stuck for a variety of reasons, but all very explainable reasons). So, like I said, if the circumstances surrounding the bible (and new testament) were replicated (in our modern society), and we had a few hundred cult members who suddently entered our society making these sort of claims, we would think they were nuts (and rightly so). Starting from that idea (what's the logic I would apply in all other circumstances), atheism will come naturally

It's really quite amazing to me that people can be smart in most aspects of life, but when it comes to religion, they can be so absolutely dumbfounded (it's like hypnosis). It's a peculiar thing that will hopefully amuse future generations when they joke about the primitiveness of their ancestors (because if this crap doesn't slowly evaporate, we may not have future generations).

Sheshbazzar

'anti-theistic comment'? Oh simon. You are just so incredibly funny!!!

You confuse what YHWH is, with that silly stuff invented and written into old scrolls by the apostate Jews? :hysterical:

Frank

Unedit .... this really is a Christian vs. Jewish debate (religious passions swinging on both sides), who will win? In corner A we have the walk on water guys, in corner B it's the guy on the mountain with the bush crowd ("bush" ... get it, god is not without a sense of humor) :devil1:

Come to think of it, if god is everywhere, then his mind must also be in the gutter (hmmmm).

Perspicuo

Please, Mr Kole, you've been arguing that the Bible is not inconsistent, then I corner you and you admit it is inconsistent but now it's none of my business because God has a plan behind scenes.

Then I say that is equivalent to a "intentional misleading with an ulterior motive". Your response: It's not your purview.

Well it is, because that's what you have been doing until cornered. God forbid logic get in the way of your faith... no matter how your are shown how and where the message is incoherent, blam!, the "purview" move anew.

"Obsolences".

Guess what?
N/A

simon kole

Do you have any material inconsistencies?

1) The only thing that can be established factually is what is in the texts themselves, in their own terms.
2) So that is the limit of my purview.
3) Nothing else can be inescapably conclusively disproven, or proven, about the Bible, so both are a matter of belief.
4) My stated personal beliefs are irrelevant to examination of the actual content of the texts in their own terms.

Your quarrel is with the NT reports regarding what Jesus told his apostles, concerning the meaning of the OT Scriptures (Lk 24:44-48), which meanings are found in the NT writings.