Imnotspecial

I went to several bible quote sites to search for a quote about going to hell. Deserving to go to hell and similar. No results anywhere.

Does anybody have any quotes about that? Particularly about that everybody deserves to go to hell. Thank you Jesus.

Keith&Co.

Check the SAB?

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/inj/long.html


Matt 7:13-14?

James Brown

Revelations 20 gets mentioned a lot:

steve_bnk

I thought hell as we speak of it was more a Catholic creation in art and literature.

Davka

The Bible does not teach anything about Hell in the sense of eternal torment. In fact, even the "lake of fire" and "burning" descriptions are found only in the NT, and are clearly Hellenic in origin. The OT speaks instead of "Sheol" or "the grave," and seems to be saying that these are merely death, not some sort of afterlife.

As far as everyone deserving death, one can combine "the wages of sin is death" with "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" and get to "all have sinned, and their wages will therefore be death."

Imnotspecial

What I remember is that Catholics and fundies alike believe because of the sin of Adam and Eve we all deserve hell. If it were not for the sacrifice of Jesus we would all be toast. I just wish there were a better direct quote. What you said pretty well infers it, but it does not make for a good ad on the side of a bus.

A bus company refused to have a banner ad on their buses with the simple "Atheist.org (and) Freethinkers.org" message because it is confrontational. (See the Blaghag)

Johnny Skeptic

John 3:16 clearly states that only Christians will have everlasting life.

skepticalbip

As far as I can tell, the Bible really doesn't say much about Hell other than a few references in the New Testament. Current christian ideas about Hell seem to come from Dante's Inferno and modern day hellfire and brimstone evangelical preachers. However, the Koran gives some quite detailed descriptions of the tortures that are waiting for bad Muslims and infidels in Islamic hell.

What the Bible says:

Davka

According to Revelation, which happens to be the only book which is explicit about this particular version of the Lake of Fire (not "hell").

Very dishonest conflating of verses here.
1) Neither verse includes the word "hell" in the original.
2) Matt. 13 says the wicked will be cast into a furnace of fire, not "hell."
3) Rev. 20:14,15 says "Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

This is fascinating to me, because Hades was the Greek god of the underworld. How did Hades get into the eschatology of a supposedly Jewish sect?

At any rate, Matthew mentions a furnace, Revelation a lake of fire. Hardly the same thing. And neither one mentions "hell."

Very poor analysis of the passages in question.

1) Matt 13 says the wicked will be tossed into a furnace, and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Well, it seems to me that in every single horrific genocide of the past, when a group of people was rounded up and shot/burned alive/gassed/impaled (or whatever), there was likely "wailing and gnashing of teeth." Does that mean that they didn't die, but were tormented forever? No. It means that the manner of their death was terrible, and that they were aware before they died of what was going to happen.

2) Mark 9 is a classic case of Biblical Revisionism. In verses 43, 46, and 48, the line "where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" does not appear in the earliest manuscripts - it is a later addition. In fact, it makes the passage into rather macabre poetry.

And again, the original here is "gehenna," not "hell." "Gehenna" refers to the Valley of Hinnom, a steep-sided valley outside Jerusalem where the city's garbage was dumped. It stank, and fires smoldered continuously in the pile of refuse.

3) Rev. 14 does not include every wicked person who ever lived, but rather a very special subset from John's personal end-times hallucination:

Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Revelation 14:9-11

So in order to merit this special torment, you have to a) be alive at the end of the world; b) worship the Beast and his Image; c) receive a Mark on your forehead or hand signifying that you are a beast-worshipper.

It's hardly the evidence of eternal torment for all unbelievers that the author makes it out to be.

So is death. In fact, one of these passages even calls the Lake of Fire "the second death." This implies that the wicked are resurrected only long enough to be judged and then killed again - this time forever.

Revelation is very bizarre in its descriptions of the torment of the condemned. Over and over again, it mentions that the saints get to watch, and that they respond by hollering "hallelujah!" and worshiping god. It's pretty openly vindictive.

Sheshbazzar

With a slight edit;
Hmm. Wonder whom would ever fall for anything like that? :devil1: