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Old 12-08-2005, 11:21 PM   #11
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That's an excellent point Toto. We need to realize that Mary was not impregnated the same way as you or I would impregnate a girl. God worked much the same way as artificial impregnation works today. This is the reason Mary was still a Virgin after the process. Again God wanted to make sure Jesus had an earthly father figure. So Joseph became His stepfather.
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That's an excellent point Toto. We need to realize that Mary was not impregnated the same way as you or I would impregnate a girl. God worked much the same way as artificial impregnation works today. This is the reason Mary was still a Virgin after the process. Again God wanted to make sure Jesus had an earthly father figure. So Joseph became His stepfather.
And you know this how? Because it looks to me as though you're filling in details from your own imagination; the bible is silent on these issues.
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In Biblical days, as in most preindustrial societies, young girls would get engaged and or married as soon after puberty as possible. There would have been no available unmarried or unengaged women capable of bearing children around.
If there was even one in the entire world, do you think God would have trouble finding her? Either that or he could have waited for one to be available (or make one available, he is God afterall).
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If there was even one in the entire world, do you think God would have trouble finding her? Either that or he could have waited for one to be available (or make one available, he is God afterall).
And why would the Lord choose a young woman who couldn't even find a proper husband? :Cheeky:

This story was constructed within the social framework of first century Palestine, and that's how the readership would have expected a supernatural god to proceed.
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And you know this how? Because it looks to me as though you're filling in details from your own imagination; the bible is silent on these issues.
Because she was still a virgin after the fact she concieved. No the Bible says she was born of a virgin not just concieved of a virgin but born OF a virgin. No you are using yours vainly. The Bible is most certainly not silent on this subject.
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And why would the Lord choose a young woman who couldn't even find a proper husband? :Cheeky:
What? Joseph was a proper husband. He was an upright man. Do you realize Joseph could have had her put to death because she was pregnant. But instead he was just going to "leave" her.Which also proves he loved Mary very much.

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This story was constructed within the social framework of first century Palestine, and that's how the readership would have expected a supernatural god to proceed.
Expected and did.
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Expected and did.
No evidence corroborates that statement. It's based soley on the fact you want it to be true.
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Because she was still a virgin after the fact she concieved. No the Bible says she was born of a virgin not just concieved of a virgin but born OF a virgin. No you are using yours vainly. The Bible is most certainly not silent on this subject.
Sorry, that's not an answer. By my count, you made five assertions:
1) "Mary was not impregnated the same way as you or I would impregnate a girl."
2) "God worked much the same way as artificial impregnation works today."
3) "Mary was still a Virgin after the process."
4) "God wanted to make sure Jesus had an earthly father figure."
5) "Joseph became His stepfather."

You provided no evidence. What's your evidence for these assertions? Or are you just assuming?
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No evidence corroborates that statement. It's based soley on the fact you want it to be true.
You can't prove it didn't happen so your arguement is no more scholarly than mine.
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Old 12-09-2005, 03:06 PM   #20
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Sorry, that's not an answer. By my count, you made five assertions:
1) "Mary was not impregnated the same way as you or I would impregnate a girl."
You know that's all I hear you guys saying prove it! You never back your claims up by fact either so stop acting like I'm the only one that isn't giving facts. Correct she was not.

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"God worked much the same way as artificial impregnation works today."
Yes once again you are correct.

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3) "Mary was still a Virgin after the process."
Yes because Isaiah 14:7 says Mary will be born of a virgin she was still a virgin after the process.

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4) "God wanted to make sure Jesus had an earthly father
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Ok I have to ask why doesn't this make sense. Joseph did marry Mary evident by the fact in Scripture that Joseph brought Mary with him to Bethlehem. She was probably an outcast because she became pregnant before marriage. I can't back this up but it's probably true.

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5) "Joseph became His stepfather."
See above.

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You provided no evidence. What's your evidence for these assertions? Or are you just assuming?
Look I can't outside of the Bible but you can't prove me wrong with evidence either.
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