Steven Carr

Why would Jesus say that to the disciples at the Last Supper, when he had told them that he would be back with them after 3 days?

Clearly this was a ritual that was anachronistically put back into the mouth of Jesus.

Chris Weimer

Non sequitur. Can you try actually formulating a logical thought before coming to such a conclusion?

Johnny Skeptic

If you told someone that you were going on a three day vacation, would you tell them to do something in remembrance of you?

Chris Weimer

But Jesus isn't going on a vacation - he's going to his death. Steve Carr assumes that Jesus knows he's going to return in three days - that assumption is without merit.

Why does Steve Carr think that this one is anachronistically posited into the mouth of Jesus and not that he'll return in three days?

dog-on

Which story are you reading, Chris?

Johnny Skeptic

Consider the following Scriptures:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Matthew 27:62-63 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Luke 24:1-8 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. And they remembered his words,

There is no doubt that the texts say that Jesus knew that he would be gone for three days. Now is it your position that Jesus knew that he would rise from the dead in three days, but did not know that he was going to return in three days?

Regarding Luke 24:1-8, I believe that it is reasonble to assume that the writer of Luke implies that it would not have made any sense for Jesus to say that he was going to rise from the dead if he did not plan to appear to anyone.

Toto

But he wasn't coming back to resume his earthly life in 3 days - he was going to rise to heaven, or come back for a short period of time as in a human form before rising to heaven, whichever version you prefer. If the latter, he should have waited until then to tell people what to do in remembrance of him.

But it does sound very much like the ritual was put back into Jesus' mouth.

Steven Carr

How does Jesus know he's going to his death? Did he know that he would be betrayed and found guilty?

dog-on

or maybe everything, including Jesus's alleged mouth is just part of the story...

Toto

In the story line of the gospels, of course he knows this. But if you are trying to extract some history from this, it doesn't appear historically credible