Originally Posted by rhutchin

There is no natural law that allows for the universe to pop into existence through natural means. The only way the universe can exist is for it to have had a supernatural origin. The Bible provides an explanation for the way this supernatural origin came about.

Originally Posted by sonofone

Wow Johnny I am a Christian and enjoyed your post.Very thought provoking.I feel it is acceptable to ask questions as you have and if I or know one else has adequate answers to them,then I suppose you are within your right to come to your own conclusion.

For the record I do not hold out the bible to be inerrant.I discovered this painfully and most shockingly almost 15 years ago after reading a book who wrote the bible.This book was not even written as an afront to the bible or the Christian faith,yet it turned my world upside down after reading it.

After studying history in college and discovering the flood story of Homer predated the flood account of scripture,yet it is identical in nature also spun me around.

Having said this it is too late for me to become anything other than what I am.I am a Christian who both believes and am in love with God:huh: I can both understand and appreciate why you and many others like you are the exact opposite.

Originally Posted by Jerry McDonald

If the Bible isn't inerrant, then why believe it? Why not just put it on a shelf with all other religious books and forget about it? I have never understood the mentality of those who say that the Bible isn't inerrant, but they still call themselves Christians. If I thought the Bible wasn't inerrant, a Christian would be the last thing I would call myself.

In Christ Jesus
Jerry D. McDonald

Originally Posted by allabouttruth.org

All Scripture is Inspired of God and Beneficial

How do we know that all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial to us?

The Bible tells us that all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial.

2 Peter 1:20-21 says, "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

1 Corinthians 2:13 states, "This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words." God impressed man with His message, then the individual author, using his own style of expression based on his personal, educational, and cultural resources put the message into words.

Romans 10:8 phrased it this way: ". . .The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart. . ." God communicated to the author the content that He wanted written, and the author phrased the content with his skill, style, mind, and language. We can be certain that, although the very words came from each author, the message was as God had intended and is authentic, reliable, and infallible.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 reads, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." We are told that the Bible is not only the words of God, but it has great benefit to us.

Colossians 3:16 admonishes us to "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God."

The psalmist tells us in Psalms 119:11 that God's Word protects us from sin: "I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you." From God's very first contact with man in Genesis to the final phrases of Revelation, He gave Scriptures to guide man's conduct.

However, man did not obey God's instruction from the beginning and sin entered the world through Adam. Since that time man has continued to challenge God's Word through disobedience. We have failed to see the tremendous benefits and blessings we could have received and instead suffered the consequences of our actions: sickness, wars, plagues, and curses.

Deuteronomy 30:19-20 pleads with us to make the right choice: "This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. . ."

The only way to truly understand the concept of blessings that come through obedience and following God's words is to put them to the test. If we want God to bless us and to care for us and keep His wonderful promises to us, then we must submit to the guidance that He has given us for living. I know that in my own life, I sometimes see God's words as a bit odd next to the standards set by this world and therefore find them hard to comprehend and follow. Yet when I challenge those odd words by obeying them, I have found God to do exactly as He said He would do.

For example, Matthew 5:44 tells us, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." That is a very strange concept in this world. Yet when my husband and I started praying for his very difficult boss, the entire work situation and their relationship changed. It was phenomenal! His boss seemed to become more personable and somehow less demanding. "Give and it will be given you. . ." (Luke 6:38).

How can you give and yet get back more? I have found it impossible to out give God. It is when I give up trying to solve situations on my own and seek wisdom from God's words in the Bible, that I find the answers and solutions that I could not find on my own. When I regularly read the Bible and apply it in my life, I begin to clearly see God, and learn to understand His plan for my life. "I applied my heart to know, to search and seek out wisdom and the reason for things" (Ecclesiastes 7:25 NKJV).

Originally Posted by Jerry McDonald

If the Bible isn't inerrant, then why believe it? Why not just put it on a shelf with all other religious books and forget about it? I have never understood the mentality of those who say that the Bible isn't inerrant, but they still call themselves Christians. If I thought the Bible wasn't inerrant, a Christian would be the last thing I would call myself.

In Christ Jesus
Jerry D. McDonald
jerry@challenge2.org
http://www.challenge2.org

Originally Posted by Cege

Why does the Bible have to be inerrant from cover to cover for you to believe the Christian message of the NT?

Originally Posted by Cege

Why does the Bible have to be inerrant from cover to cover for you to believe the Christian message of the NT?

Originally Posted by allabouttruth.org

All Scripture is Inspired of God and Beneficial

How do we know that all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial to us?

The Bible tells us that all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial.

2 Peter 1:20-21 says, "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

1 Corinthians 2:13 states, "This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words." God impressed man with His message, then the individual author, using his own style of expression based on his personal, educational, and cultural resources put the message into words.

Romans 10:8 phrased it this way: ". . .The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart. . ." God communicated to the author the content that He wanted written, and the author phrased the content with his skill, style, mind, and language. We can be certain that, although the very words came from each author, the message was as God had intended and is authentic, reliable, and infallible.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 reads, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." We are told that the Bible is not only the words of God, but it has great benefit to us.

Colossians 3:16 admonishes us to "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God."

The psalmist tells us in Psalms 119:11 that God's Word protects us from sin: "I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you." From God's very first contact with man in Genesis to the final phrases of Revelation, He gave Scriptures to guide man's conduct.

However, man did not obey God's instruction from the beginning and sin entered the world through Adam. Since that time man has continued to challenge God's Word through disobedience. We have failed to see the tremendous benefits and blessings we could have received and instead suffered the consequences of our actions: sickness, wars, plagues, and curses.

Deuteronomy 30:19-20 pleads with us to make the right choice: "This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. . ."

The only way to truly understand the concept of blessings that come through obedience and following God's words is to put them to the test. If we want God to bless us and to care for us and keep His wonderful promises to us, then we must submit to the guidance that He has given us for living. I know that in my own life, I sometimes see God's words as a bit odd next to the standards set by this world and therefore find them hard to comprehend and follow. Yet when I challenge those odd words by obeying them, I have found God to do exactly as He said He would do.

For example, Matthew 5:44 tells us, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." That is a very strange concept in this world. Yet when my husband and I started praying for his very difficult boss, the entire work situation and their relationship changed. It was phenomenal! His boss seemed to become more personable and somehow less demanding. "Give and it will be given you. . ." (Luke 6:38).

How can you give and yet get back more? I have found it impossible to out give God. It is when I give up trying to solve situations on my own and seek wisdom from God's words in the Bible, that I find the answers and solutions that I could not find on my own. When I regularly read the Bible and apply it in my life, I begin to clearly see God, and learn to understand His plan for my life. "I applied my heart to know, to search and seek out wisdom and the reason for things" (Ecclesiastes 7:25 NKJV).

Originally Posted by angelo atheist

Maybe he needs someone to thump him on the scone with a bible.