Johnny Skeptic

Since rhutchin in an inerrantist, I am pretty sure that he will read this post. I am also pretty sure that he will, as he always has in the past, at least as far as I recall, refuse to discuss inerrancy even though it is the primary basis for most or all of his arguments. No one who refuses to discuss the primary basis for their beliefs should be taken seriously.

biblethumping

I'm about as fundamental as they come. I'll be happy to discuss the inerrant bible pre-babel, or how it was corrupted thru CONFOUNDATION. I'll even show you how confusing and meaningless the KJV has become. I'll discuss the primary basis for my beliefs. I have only one request and that is you refrain from calling me Poe like so many of you meme evolutionists out there do.

angelo

I'll be the son of a gun. biblethumping is surely joking.
Darwin was wrong; the great apes evolved from creationists.
It is the only explanation for such gibberish.

angelo

Do you posses a pre-babel bible?

-Jay-

What does this word salad mean? Are you asserting that there was a Bible in existence before the Tower of Babel myth was written down? Did it have a New Testament?

Perhaps you could clarify when, exactly, you believe the earliest manuscripts of Biblical books were written?

regards,

NinJay

heretic5

Bible errancy:

According to the Bible, the Bible contains "leaven".
Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Luke 13:21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

According to the Bible, "leaven" is to be avoided.
Matthew 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Mark 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

According to the Bible, "leaven" can be avoided by sorting the Bible.
Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two
witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be
established.
2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Summation: according to the Bible, it contains "leaven", "leaven" is to be avoided, and "leaven" can be avoided by sorting the Bible. The unsorted Bible is therefore errant.

Johnny Skeptic

By "Poe," do you mean "Problem of Evil"?

What you do mean by "meme evolutionists"? Since I am an agnostic, I am not an evolutionist, although I do not oppose evolution.

What do you mean by "the inerrant bible pre-babel"? All that we have today is copies of copies of ancient texts. No one knows what the originals said, and how many times the originals might have been changed. The Bible itself does not preclude a reasonable possibility that the Bible can be changed. The last page of the book of Revelation warns against tampering with the texts. If tampering were not possible, there would not have been any need for the warnings.

What good are inspired, preserved texts to people who do not have access to them?

What good are inspired, preserved texts to people who do not know how to correctly interpret them? The U.S. Civil War started partly because Christians disagreed about what the Bible says about slavery. Whose fault was that?

What caused the Protestant Reformation?

Timetospend

Great demonstration of the usual "logic" that leads to "proof" of Bible errancy.

Thanks for sharing,

angelo

Could it not also be that the only ''inspired'' writings in the bible were inspired by ancient, ignorant, primitive, savage goat or sheep herders? And to think that modern man places so much store in this collection of gibberish gobley gook and fairy tales, really is a miracle in itself. Like the great David Hume once said; the bigger miracle are the people that actually believe the first miracle.

Robert Byers

Big subject.
One of the biggest angles that I see that shows the Bible is inspired by God and so no errors (except in copying old texts) is that cross referencing of anything always confirms the bible.
I mean that all the likely errors that one would expect from so many writings from so many people about so much human actions and motivations should be astonishing.
Yet it is so not this way that Bible believers can challenge the hostile world on the inerrancy of the bible.
Rivers are where they should be. Nations and Kings names where they should be. Motives accused here are consistently accused somewhere else.
Cross-referencing is the friend and not the opponent of revealed Christian religion.
Robert byers
Toronto, Ontario