spin

To see whether Epiphanius shed any light on what Tertullian says about Marcion's gospel of the lord in relation to the hometown pericope in Luke. I can't work out for sure whether it is Tertullian who is importing the reference to Nazareth into his reading of Marcion or not, ie is Tertullian clarifying the hometown scene being at Nazareth in xMarc. 4.8. Actually, it doesn't seem that from T. that Marcion said anything about the scene. I'm looking at Dindorf cols.711-2, which mentions the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar, which T. says is how M. started, but nothing about Capernaum or Nazareth. But the structure of the work is a little difficult to get around.

Ben C Smith

I cannot tell either. And it appears Epiphanius had nothing in particular to say about it. The older interpreters, I think, based on the fact that many of the Marcionite alterations in Tertullian and Epiphanius are so minute, assumed that the gospel of Marcion was identical to our canonical Luke until shown otherwise. The reasoning was, I guess, that if Epiphanius took the trouble to point out some inconsequential difference as to, say, verb tense, then surely he would not have passed over the omission or addition of an entire pericope, or any wholesale corruption (compared to the canonical version, of course) of any part of the text.

I know very little about such matters, though.

That is how Epiphanius says the Marcionite gospel started, too:

Ταυτα παντα πεÏ?εκοψας απεπηδησε, και αÏ?χην του ευαγγελιου εταξε ταυτην· Εν τω πεντεκαιδεκατω ετει ΤιβεÏ?ιου ΚαισαÏ?ος, και τα εξης.

He started off by cutting out all these things [from context, the infancy narratives and genealogies], and ordered this [line] as the beginning of the gospel: In the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar, and the rest.

That is how I read it too. And there is little structure to speak of, AFAICS; it is just a list of variants.

Good luck.

Ben.

Chris Weimer

Why stop at Greek? How about add Latin, Coptic, Hebrew, Aramaic, and whatever else to the mix?

Indeed. I was merely suggesting it since I've seen at least several works mentioned here without a translator.

Roger Pearse

Well, I had some idea of actually doing it. Once the scope expands that far, will anything be done?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Chris Weimer

Sure, but only after the ball gets rolling. Do we have a good TC edition of Ad Marinum?