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aa5874 · 03-01-2009, 10:19 AM

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There is also plenty of evidence that the writer Paul is a liar

You've said that several times in this thread, but so far you have not produced any of that alleged evidence. Not one bit. You just keep saying over and over that Paul lied.

Repetition is not proof. If it were, Christianity would have been proved a long time ago. But it doesn't work for Christians, and it won't work for you.

Your post is blatantly mis-leading and false.
It is you who have not produced any evidence at all to show that the writer called Paul is truthful.

Why do you think repetition will work for you? You repeat the same thing over and over, but you repeat your errors without providing one single source.

Please quote one source to show the writer Paul is truthful. There are 14 epistles, please, quote a single truthful passage with respect to Paul.

There is Acts of the Apostles, please, quote a single truthful passage with respect to Saul/Paul.

I have shown the lies of the writer called Paul in 1 Corinthians 15.3-8

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For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8 And LAST of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

I have shown the lies of the writer called Paul in 1 COR.11.23-24

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For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me .

I have shown you the lies of the writer Paul in 1 Corinthians 15.14&17

1Cor 15:14 -

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And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

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And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

I have pointed out that the sacred scriptures called Acts of the Apostles contains a fictitious conversion of Saul/Paul.

I have pointed out that some events with respect to Paul in Acts of the Apostles and those of the letters of the writer called Paul are not in agreement.

I have shown that the writer Paul, although claiming to write to pagans, appear not to have address any pagan issue with respect to paganism. Not a single letter contain information about one single pagan god.

The writer Paul is a fraud and a liar. The writer appear to be involved in the scheme to distort the true history of Jesus believers.

The writer claimed he was alive during the time of King Aretas, he must have lied when he claimed over 500 people, including himself, saw Jesus in a resurrected state.

If Jesus did exist, he could only have been human. He could not resurrect.

The writer Paul is a liar.

Now, please show me one single passage in the whole of the NT, and the church writings where the writer Paul was truthful?

You cannot.

arnoldo · 03-01-2009, 02:52 PM

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I have shown that the writer Paul, although claiming to write to pagans, appear not to have address any pagan issue with respect to paganism. Not a single letter contain information about one single pagan god.

Is the following a pagan issue?

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ACTS

16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. 17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. 18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. 19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? 20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean. 21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

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aa5874 · 03-01-2009, 06:21 PM

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I have shown that the writer Paul, although claiming to write to pagans, appear not to have address any pagan issue with respect to paganism. Not a single letter contain information about one single pagan god.

Is the following a pagan issue?

Acts of the Apostles is NOT a letter from the writer called Paul. Can you show me a passage in any letter from the writer Paul where he mentioned the event as found in Acts 16.

And I must remind you that the author of Acts wrote that Jesus was witnessed by his apostles as he floated through the clouds during some kind of ascension.

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<snip quote from Acts>

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Now look at "Ad Nationes" by Tertulian and you will see a similar phrase as highlighted in Acts 17.23.

Ad Nationes 2.9

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Well, but even the gods of the Romans have received from (the same) Varro a threefold classification into the certain, the uncertain, and the select. What absurdity! What need had they of uncertain gods, when they possessed certain ones? Unless, forsooth, they wished to commit themselves to such folly as the Athenians did; for at Athens there was an altar with this inscription: To the unknown gods...

You will notice that there is a dis-agreement, the author of Acts wrote "to the unknown GOD" and the author of "Ad Nationes" wrote "to the unknown GODS".

Where did the author of Acts of the Apostles get his information?

arnoldo · 03-01-2009, 08:39 PM

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. . . Where did the author of Acts of the Apostles get his information?

Some of the information came from Aratus:

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Let us begin with Zeus, whom we mortals never leave unspoken.

For every street, every market-place is full of Zeus.

Even the sea and the harbour are full of this deity.

Everywhere everyone is indebted to Zeus.

For we are indeed his offspring... (Phaenomena 1-5).

http://spindleworks.com/library/rfaber/aratus.htm

Which the writer of Acts references in the following passage:

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28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

aa5874 · 03-01-2009, 10:36 PM

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. . . Where did the author of Acts of the Apostles get his information?

Some of the information came from Aratus

And where did the author of Acts get information about the ascension of Jesus?

From Aratus?

Doug Shaver · 03-02-2009, 06:57 AM

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you repeat your errors

Cite one. Just one. Quote something I wrote that you think is an error.

aa5874 · 03-02-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

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you repeat your errors

Cite one. Just one. Quote something I wrote that you think is an error.

You have admitted your own errors.

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...Apologies to everyone. I was in a hurry and did not read carefully enough...

Now, can you name a single passage from the letters with the name Paul that is truthful?

Whe the writer claimed he saw Jesus after he was resurrected was that a lie or the truth?

Can you name a single passage in Acts of the Apostles with respect to Paul that is truthful?

Was it a lie or the truth when the author of Acts claimed Saul/Paul was bilnded by a bright light and received his sight by someone who just simply spoke to him?

The writer Paul was a fraud when he falsely presented himself as a first century character and was involved in the scheme to distort the true history of Jesus believers.

The writer Paul has no history outside of apologetic sources.

arnoldo · 03-02-2009, 03:45 PM

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Now, can you name a single passage from the letters with the name Paul that is truthful?

The following passage is sounding pretty truthful right about now . .

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2Timothy 2:23
23Do not have anything to do with foolish and stupid discussions, because you know they breed arguments. . .

aa5874 · 03-02-2009, 04:04 PM

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Now, can you name a single passage from the letters with the name Paul that is truthful?

The following passage is sounding pretty truthful right about now . .

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2Timothy 2:23
23Do not have anything to do with foolish and stupid discussions, because you know they breed arguments. . .

But some Scholars will say that the Paul in Timothy is not true.

In that case, the Paul that siounds pretty truthful is the fraud.

aa5874 · 03-02-2009, 04:06 PM

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Now, can you name a single passage from the letters with the name Paul that is truthful?

The following passage is sounding pretty truthful right about now . .

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2Timothy 2:23
23Do not have anything to do with foolish and stupid discussions, because you know they breed arguments. . .

Why did you quote from 2Timothy?

But some Scholars will say that the Paul in Timothy is not true.

In that case, the Paul that sounds pretty truthful is the fraud.

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