Sheshonq

I can't believe you asked this question. Are you really that uninformed on the history of Tyre?

Egads how embarrassing.

Here you are, trying to tell us that Tyre is some kind of fulfilled prophecy, when you don't even know the major facts about its military history?

Do you routinely try to lecture other people on subjects that you don't have the foggiest clue about yourself? :rolling:

Darklighter

You just disproved yourself.

Basicly, they wouldn't do any conquering, and Neb obviously was receiving some form of tribute, but Tyre was still, essentially, INDEPENDENT. If Neb was successful in ANY way, shape, or form, such a 'generous' agreement would NEVER have been made.

arnoldo

So you are arguing that Nebby conquered Tyre, right?

makerowner

STOP MAKING SHIT UP!! The walls were still there, the people were still there, Tyre was not a bare rock; ergo, prophecy failed.

Sheshonq

1. What part of the phrase "ended in a draw" do you not understand?

2. The prophecy wasn't "conquer" anyhow; it was "scrape it bare like the top of a rock".

Nice try at moving the goalposts.

arnoldo

Ok, Nebby and Tyre ended in a draw. So if Tyre was strong enough to end a confict in a draw it wouldn't be powerful enough to survive a 13 year siege,right?

Sheshonq

Another question showing the holes in your education. You have the sequence of cause-effect backwards.

The fact that they were strong enough to survive a 13-year siege is precisely WHY they were able force Nebuchadnezzar to a draw.

Darklighter

Exactly. Arnoldo, In the case of a powerful nation carrying out a siege against a city, a "draw" of this kind is BETTER (almost a 'win' even) for the city than it is for the attackers, because the city is allowed to go back to buisness as usual. This point is made by Ezekiel when he says that Neb recieved nothing from Tyre, i.e. He FAILED to conquer the city.

It's clear as day my friend. Funny how God made it so that in order to understand the Bible, you cannot understand history. And vise-versa, if you understand history you cannot understand the Bible. Suks don't it? :huh:

Amaleq13

The only thing one needs to "say" is that your summary of the prophecy is inadequate and misleading. Tyre was to be destroyed and never rebuilt.

That has not happened.

Amaleq13

No question about it.