Toto

How did we get from the existence of the Pyramids as disproof of the flood to Pyramidology? Please stay on topic.

azidhak

Didn't mean to derail Toto, just answered afdave's assertions.

Dave Hawkins

RE: THE FLOOD AND THE GREAT PYRAMID
British astronomer Richard A. Proctor suggested that the GP was an astronomical observatory prior to its completion and, taking Sir John Herschel's suggestion, concluded that Alpha Draconis could have been used with the pole star to obtain a true north/south line. This leads to construction dates of 2170BC and 3440BC. 2170BC fits well with an average of Deluge Dates from various sources including the Septuagint, Ussher and others. David Rohl's "New Chronology" for Egypt pushes the founding up Egypt forward several hundred years which not only answers the Egyptian Civilization/Flood question, but answers many other supposed Bible problems ... archaeological evidence for Solomon's wealth, the Exodus, Joseph the Vizier of Egypt and the Conquest of Jericho. The evidence is all there, but archaeologists have just been looking in the wrong time period. I will be doing a complete book review of David Rohl's A Test of Time on my blog in the next few days.

I have no interest in "pyramidology"--that is--attempting to derive prophecies and such from the pyramid. I am only interested in the structure itself and in the science it apparently contains. I believe it shows that the builders had a high degree of scientific knowledge, but that's about all. My only interest in Davidson's work is his analysis which apparently reconcililes Petrie and Smyth.

Dave Hawkins

Failed to mention my Deluge Date above. ~2750BC from the averaged literary sources (from Smyth). With a growth rate of ~2%, the ~600 years from 2750 to 2170BC gives a population of ~1 million ... plenty to build the GP. There is evidence to support this slightly higher than normal population growth rate in the immediate post-Flood world.

HoverCraftWheel

I think you're being too modest there Dave. It may be your first "formal" debate but you've been discussing this and other topics for quite a while. I lurked through a lot of your marathon Creator God Hypothesis thread at After the Bar Closes last year.

Things should certainly liven up around here if you're going to stick around. Have fun!

Dave Hawkins

Hi HoverCraftWheel ... AtBC was OK, but my arguments improved IMHO at RD.net beginning in January of this year. I argued my Creator God Hypothesis Part 1 and Part 2 and a Flood Debate there, all linked from my blog. I believe that the evidence is overwhelming for the historicity of the Global Flood.

(BTW-- Do you own a hovercraft?)

RED DAVE

From afdave:
Are you trying to to say that the entire population of Egypt, and the rest of the world, except for Noah's family, in 2750 BCE and 600 years later, the pyramids were built, using all the trappings of Egyptian culture which, ppresumably, had been wiped to the last person?

Please clarify.

RED DAVE

Huon

Neanderthal (Neandertal),
Cro Magnon,
Lascaux,
Altamira,
and so many other prehistoric caves, with paintings dated 30,000 BCE to 14,000 BCE, and no clay inside which could be dated ~ 3,000 BCE.
What a pity !
No prehistorian, even religious people (Abbé Breuil, for instance, who studied the Magdalenian caves in Périgord), did say anything about the Flood...

HoverCraftWheel

I've read your flood thread and I shall read and no doubt enjoy the others.

No, I don't own a hovercraft, do you own an air force?

Weltall

Ignoring the sudden interest in pyramidology and leaving that discussion to others, I remain interested in praxeus' response to Red Dave's questions. I know he's still around, he visited a week ago according to his profile. Since Iron One got banned without delivering his no doubt devastating and well-researched anti-Tiktaalik article and Larsguy the Messiah vanished without fulfilling his promise to flood New York as a sign to all us non-believers, I've been lacking in things to anticipate around here. Come on praxeus, don't let me down!