Solo

The opinion that 'nazarene' derives etymologically from 'netzer' is not from my head, spin. I really have no theory that hangs on that opinion.

I am positing nothing. I know of no "council of Greek scribes". The only thing I claim to know is that the letter is rendered as 'tsade' or 'tzadi' in English. I have no background in linguistics of Mediteranean antiquity to get into technical debates with you whether at the relevant time in all places the consonant was an unvoiced affricate, or voiced fricative or, for that matter, how a pronunciation/transliteration of a locally created word would stabilize across multilingual populations. I take what you say and file it with other information.

I observe however that my suggestion of 'nazarene/nazorean' as (Aramaic?) neologism with local origin (and the hazards of local phonetics attendant thereto) in which the etymology might have been obscured, elicits strained arguments and dismissive tone on your part.

At any rate, thanks for the info.

Jiri

spin

I know it's been popularized by Eisenman, so no, people touting it are not alone. In fact I thought it possible some time back, but the linguistics militate against it.

How else do you get the uniformity of form with the zeta (despite the distinct forms of nazarhnos and nazwraios), if netzer was the underlying source?

The Syriac Aramaic for the town as found in the Peshitta uses the same form as the Hebrew as found in an inscription from Caesarea Maritima. The Semitic side seems consistent to me, so what is the source of this neologism of local origin? It certainly doesn't seem like netzer.


spin

Solo

Actually, Eisenman seems pretty neutral and considers both possibilities, i.e. the "root-branch" and and the nozrei ha-brit (keepers of the covenant) origin. He may be right in interpreting Paul's Rom 11:17-22 as jabbing at the Jamesian messianists.

I don't know, it may be for the same reason that in Arabic nasrani is uniformly spelled with a sin and not a zay.

And that's fine, spin, no problem at all.

Jiri

spin

He just likes to have his cake and eat it too.

However, they both are netzer! NZR is "dedicate/consecrate" or "crown".

He has to deal with the TSADE -> zeta problem, but his readers don't know. They trust him.

And that's what you'd expect, isn't it? From Aramaic to Arabic (TSADE -> SIN), not from Greek (zeta -> SIN).


spin

Steven Avery

Thanks Ben, for laboroiously trying to reconstruct this particular methodology of manipulation, interpolations and redactions and non-redactions and anti-redactions of convenience, by spin. Gave me a good for the day.

Shalom,
Steven

PS.
Yes, I realize you have not stated whether you take this stuff seriously as real theory to consider or not. You are welcome to go any way you want .. I simply appreciate the effort that summarizes this stuff.