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Old 01-01-2009, 05:56 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Was Jesus called Jesus?

Ignoring the Aramaic -> Greek -> English name conversion, is is possible that Jesus wasn't called Jesus? That the name Jesus was picked to use because it was so common and generic - like John Doe? IIRC, Mohammed's actual given name is also unknown - Mohammed is a "stage name", selected long afterwards.
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Of course it's possible. If you think that there was a charismatic wandering preacher who was crucified, and his influence led to Christianity, his name might have been Shlomo.

but since we have no evidence of anyone with a different name who fits that description, how does this help?
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Of course it's possible. If you think that there was a charismatic wandering preacher who was crucified, and his influence led to Christianity, his name might have been Shlomo.

but since we have no evidence of anyone with a different name who fits that description, how does this help?
I think it likely there was some man, but I'm less sure his name was Jesus.
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Yep, there were some men, perhaps a thousand or more potential candidates, from that approxamate time frame, who were Jewish teachers, and had somewhat similar names.
Of course not a single one of them was the "Jesus" that is described in The New Testament, that "Jesus" is a fictional composite Action/Adventure cartoon hero fabricated by the latter Gentile church; there never was any such actual person.
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Of course it's possible. If you think that there was a charismatic wandering preacher who was crucified, and his influence led to Christianity, his name might have been Shlomo.

but since we have no evidence of anyone with a different name who fits that description, how does this help?
I think it likely there was some man, but I'm less sure his name was Jesus.
I think that's G.A. Wells position. He thinks that Paul envisioned a sort of cosmic Christ but also believes that the notion of a Christ was inspired by a real first century preacher, perhaps named Jesus.
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is possible that Jesus wasn't called Jesus?
Yes. It's possible he didn't exist, in which case nobody would have called him anything.
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Old 01-03-2009, 05:09 AM   #7
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You might want to read this: http://www.messiahtruth.com/name.html

Also, I would like someone who has a clue about hebrew/aramaic to comment on quality of that article.
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In the Gospels, the character who plays YHWH's annointed savior is named "YHWH's annointed savior" (Jesus Christ). This is clearly a title, not a proper birth name.

So if there was a historical core to Jesus, the probability that his birth name was actually 'Jesus' is the same as for any other male in the general population. I seem to recall that supposedly 1 in 6 males were named Jesus, but I have my doubts about such a high number.
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You might want to read this: http://www.messiahtruth.com/name.html

Also, I would like someone who has a clue about hebrew/aramaic to comment on quality of that article.
I'm a Bible Hebrew n00b, but after a quick reading I think that it looks sufficiently OK on the Semitic parts to be saved in my BH folder. Only, academically I prefer Yeshua` to Yeshu'a. The a is (was) pronounced before the last consonant ΧΆ (which most people, even many or most contemporary scholars, don't even try pronouncing anyway unless they are into more Semitic languages).

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considering the fact that the New Testament was originally written in the Greek language.
That's an entirely different can of worms, but I agree.

Personally, on the Internet, I sometimes refer to Yeshua Yosefson.
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Jesus was if not a common name one that was used widely. I don't think it makes much odds.
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