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Chili · 01-27-2012, 07:23 AM

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What do you think I am talking about?

It is the same fiction story that you say Jesus was pretending to suffer and what you say isn't relevant because it could not even happen.

As soon as it was stated that Jesus was the Son of a Ghost and God the Creator that walked on water I immediately realized that Jesus was NOT pretending to suffer but the authors themselves were writing Myth Fables and perhaps Pretending to write history.

But you should never say or even close to think that Jesus was "God the Creator" because he never was, nor does it ever say he was and that puts you in focus as display.

Chili · 01-27-2012, 05:29 PM

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These are clearly descriptions of a very ghostly incorporeal Jesus who appears and disappears at a moment's notice.

Clearly, a real person who could be touched, as previously; but now, post-resurrection, appearing and disappearing supernaturally. Though this had occurred at least once before, on the Sea of Galilee. It was said to have occurred in OT times, and apparently Philip after these events experienced supernatural translocation to Azotus. The obvious conclusion to the disciples was that the spirit of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, was to remain with them, even though the physical body was removed from them. This is entirely in accord with OT prophecy and the teaching of Jesus.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I've posted regarding the beliefs of the gospel writers. I'm also not sure what event specifically you are referring to on the Sea of Galilee that paints the pre-crucified Jesus as
incorporeal.

Jon

Paints?

Yes. What about the events on the Sea of Galilee portray Jesus as incorporeal?

Jon

Not Jesus incorporeal but the 'water like rock' for us to walk on, as that is what heaven is all about where the sea is no longer.

Consequently it was wrong for Moses to part those waters to get into the promised land but should have 'walked on top' of the celestial sea instead, as Jesus taught peter to do.

Note that 'water was put' aside in a basin as knowledge retained to provide dry land for us to walk on [along the road dust of the sun], and were banned from Eden to gather more knowlede that created the sea of Galilee where the messiah movement takes place later, and so we must walk on that water to get out of Galilee but not part that water in haste, which still is very popular today.

JonA · 01-27-2012, 07:31 PM

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Not Jesus incorporeal but the 'water like rock' for us to walk on, as that is what heaven is all about where the sea is no longer.

Consequently it was wrong for Moses to part those waters to get into the promised land but should have 'walked on top' of the celestial sea instead, as Jesus taught peter to do.

Note that 'water was put' aside in a basin as knowledge retained to provide dry land for us to walk on [along the road dust of the sun], and were banned from Eden to gather more knowlede that created the sea of Galilee where the messiah movement takes place later, and so we must walk on that water to get out of Galilee but not part that water in haste, which still is very popular today.

How much of this is relevant to the topic?

How much of this is even English?

Jon

Chili · 01-28-2012, 06:47 AM

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How much of this is relevant to the topic?

How much of this is even English?

Jon

Incorporeal was your choice of words while I am suggesting that the water was not wet.

Iskander · 01-28-2012, 07:34 AM

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How much of this is relevant to the topic?

How much of this is even English?

Jon

Incorporeal was your choice of words while I am suggesting that the water was not wet.

What Constitutes a Human Jesus?

Maria Magdalene is the person to answer, what is human about Jesus?

But the sacred politburo has created a good imitation of the Orwellian world and Maria the Gorgeous will remain silent forever.

JonA · 01-28-2012, 09:47 AM

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I am suggesting that the water was not wet.

LOL. So you're just joking around. I get it.

Good one!

JonA · 01-28-2012, 09:51 AM

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What Constitutes a Human Jesus?

Maria Magdalene is the person to answer, what is human about Jesus?

But the sacred politburo has created a good imitation of the Orwellian world and Maria the Gorgeous will remain silent forever.

Is there a reason you're speaking in nonsense?

Jon

Iskander · 01-28-2012, 10:08 AM

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What Constitutes a Human Jesus?

Maria Magdalene is the person to answer, what is human about Jesus?

But the sacred politburo has created a good imitation of the Orwellian world and Maria the Gorgeous will remain silent forever.

Is there a reason you're speaking in nonsense?

Jon

What Constitutes a Human Jesus?

Chili · 01-28-2012, 12:12 PM

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What Constitutes a Human Jesus?

Maria Magdalene is the person to answer, what is human about Jesus?

But the sacred politburo has created a good imitation of the Orwellian world and Maria the Gorgeous will remain silent forever.

Is there a reason you're speaking in nonsense?

Jon

What Constitutes a Human Jesus?

I will finish this later but to be human is to be born by way of conception in the womb of a female and Jesus was not conceived like that because Mary was not a female but 'the woman' who was taken from man and never was named but remained woman as opposite to human who was banned from Eden while the woman was not.

So woman here is the nucleus of the cell wherein life was conceived in the conscious mind of Joseph and Jesus here is now is reborn from the parthenos of that stemcell. That so is who Elizabeth was in Luke and will be the Alpha of Jesus and Mary was was sum total of her input tied down in the life of Joseph and so is the Omega to be added by way of blood. So then Alpha is water and Omega is blood to designate this generations worth of contributions made that also must be raised because this guy had 12 shepherds and was no 'push-over' but a wily carpenter indeed with 12 shepherds to convert into disciples.

You can say that Mary was the Star of Bethlehem which is the same path the Magi followed in Matthew but ended up at his 'justice' as chief of state at the very last moment, and so is is why Herod was not part of Luke. The star of Bethlehem spells the path of illumination in the mind of Joseph (if that makes any more sense to you).

A human Jesus would be from his mothers womb untimely ripped.

Iskander · 01-28-2012, 12:24 PM

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What Constitutes a Human Jesus?

I will finish this later but to be human is to be born by way of conception in the womb of a female and Jesus was not conceived like that because Mary was not a female but 'the woman' who was taken from man and never was named but remained woman as opposite to human who was banned from Eden while the woman was not.

So woman here is the nucleus of the cell wherein life was conceived in the conscious mind of Joseph and Jesus here is now is reborn from the parthenos of that stemcell. That so is who Elizabeth was in Luke and will be the Alpha of Jesus and Mary was was sum total of her input tied down in the life of Joseph and so is the Omega to be added by way of blood. So then Alpha is water and Omega is blood to designate this generations worth of contributions made that also must be raised because this guy had 12 shepherds and was no 'push-over' but a wily carpenter indeed with 12 shepherds to convert into disciples.

You can say that Mary was the Star of Bethlehem which is the same path the Magi followed in Matthew but ended up at his 'justice' as chief of state at the very last moment, and so is is why Herod was not part of Luke. The star of Bethlehem spells the path of illumination in the mind of Joseph (if that makes any more sense to you).

A human Jesus would be from his mothers womb untimely ripped.

I like very much your reply to the incorporeal Jesus .It is like saying that water is not wet.

The complexity of theology, whether Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc, is beyond me, but I will say that Jesus was a man and for some he was also a god.

Alexander was a man and he was also the son of god for some. It is easy to understand

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