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rhutchin · 11-29-2005, 04:49 AM

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Why would one pray to God for a cure to one's incurable cancer?

John A. Broussard
Maybe it's because the press for all those miracle sites do such an effective job. Miracle cures of incurable cancer seem to happen every day, according to faith healers. Turn on your radio to any fundy station for endless testimonials.

That is probably right.

rhutchin · 11-29-2005, 04:55 AM

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Why would one pray to God for a cure to one's incurable cancer?

John A. Broussard
Again we've reached common ground. Your god can't grow back a missing limb, and so there's certainly no point at all in praying for same.

Thanks for your quick response.

No, I think that we have established that God will not grow back a missing limb. Our conclusion is that a person should pray and ask God to protect him from losing a limb rather than waiting until he loses a limb and asking God to replace it.

rhutchin · 11-29-2005, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Delia

...He misrepresented what Jesus said in John 10:10 by way of an alibi, and couldn't bring himself to apologize or repent for doing it.

What Wayne means is that anyone who disagrees with him as to the meaning of a verse is a liar.

JPD · 11-29-2005, 05:02 AM

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No, I think that we have established that God will not grow back a missing limb. Our conclusion is that a person should pray and ask God to protect him from losing a limb rather than waiting until he loses a limb and asking God to replace it.

Riggghhhht...so praying to God will not cause a missing limb to grow back but if we pray including everything that could possibly go wrong before it does then we will be okay. God, please don't let me lose an arm/leg/foot/toe/nail/head/lung (etc), don't let any pianos/large books/aeroplanes/bags of shit from aeroplane toilets/dead birds (etc) fall on me, don't let me be in a car/caravan/....do we have to specify all of these things, or could we just say "Please don't let anything bad befall me and keep me intact you worthless supercreator murdering shit"? (obviously entering into the spirit a little more)

rhutchin · 11-29-2005, 05:08 AM

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Yes, God has to save you BEFORE you will turn to Christ (otherwise, why would you seek Christ except, perhaps, to appease yourself or maybe to get into some girl's pants).

Wayne Delia
I've heard Christian girls are easy, but are they really that easy?

rhutchin
Actually, it is because they are not easy that we have so many men claiming to be ex-Christians.

Wayne Delia
You've confused yourself, and once again contradicted yourself. Read what you originally wrote at the top. The method used to "maybe get into some girl's pants," you said, was to seek Christ. Why would anyone seek Christ, you asked, except to "maybe get into some girl's pants." Seeking Christ is quite different - in fact, completely different - from claiming to be an ex-Christian. Why would you think that a Christian girl would let a guy into her pants if he claimed he was an ex-Christian? For that matter, why would a Christian girl put out for a guy who claimed he was actually a Christian? You've got some serious dysfunctional issues going here, along with what appears to be an unhealthy disrespect for Christian women.

That’s a good point. I should have said, “why would you want people to think you were a Christian…�?

Also, a good question, “Why would a Christian girl…�? Maybe we have two people professing to be something they are not in order to get something that they want even though they cannot get what they want by professing to be something they are not.

rhutchin · 11-29-2005, 05:11 AM

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You made a good point, and I would only add that it's a common Church recruiting strategy to indoctrinate children into the religious dogma at as early an age as possible, which makes it psychologically much more difficult to leave the Church later on.

It is all too common, and it is to their shame that they do this.

Alf · 11-29-2005, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JPD

Whereas Christians are positively encouraged to drive a wedge called God/Jesus (/big tuna tin in the clouds/dappy headed Chinese speaking pink puppy with super-power spectacles and a beard...

) between themselves and their families.

My friend married a woman a couple of years ago that is extremely religious. She actually claimed that she held Jesus as number one and my friend (her husband) as number 2 man in her life.

It's pathetic. If it werent' for the fact that Jesus is dead 2000 years ago and as such no competition it would actually be a dangerous line of thought. How can christian men who marry christian women who think that way handle it?

For me, my wife is first in my life - everything else is after. I expect the same for her that she puts me first in her life. Fortunately, my wife is not christian and doesn't have this kind of mental defect.

Alf

JPD · 11-29-2005, 05:28 AM

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My friend married a woman a couple of years ago that is extremely religious. She actually claimed that she held Jesus as number one and my friend (her husband) as number 2 man in her life.

It's pathetic. If it werent' for the fact that Jesus is dead 2000 years ago and as such no competition it would actually be a dangerous line of thought. How can christian men who marry christian women who think that way handle it?

For me, my wife is first in my life - everything else is after. I expect the same for her that she puts me first in her life. Fortunately, my wife is not christian and doesn't have this kind of mental defect.

Alf

Absolutely. The kind of mind that regards dead humans with made-up superpowers as of greater relevance and importance than a real, living, breathing person that they are sharing their life with, doesn't deserve to have anyone to love. "You can't touch me the way that Jesus does" has a particular ring to it "Why, does he bring you off when he's cross?"

Ubercat · 11-29-2005, 05:37 AM

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No and no.

Why would one pray to God for a cure to one's incurable cancer?

Because bible god has promised to answer ALL prayers. Maybe the god you've made up doesn't, but bible god does. Are you claiming that god has never cured cancer? What other miracles are you denying? Maybe god never raised the dead?

-Ubercat

Ubercat · 11-29-2005, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Delia

The Ninth Commandment is "Thou shalt not bear false witness," and it is frequently mistaken for "Thou shalt never lie." While that would be a good moral principle for Christians to adhere to, what it actually means (to my way of thinking) is that false accusations should not be brought against others. That was flushed down the dumper when rhutchin carried on about atheists being theives. He misrepresented what Jesus said in John 10:10 by way of an alibi, and couldn't bring himself to apologize or repent for doing it.

Beats me. Get yourself a statue, sprinkle some holy water on it, and fling it against the wall. That's gotta count for something.

Tell me about it! Try committing the Unforgivable Sin (Matthew 12:31-32) - I've been told by fundie spin-doctors that atheists can't possibly commit it, since they don't believe in the Holy Spirit at all, so words can't be said against something they don't believe in. I've jumped up and down claiming "The Holy Spirit is a lying, deceiving, servant of Satan!" to no effect.

What's a guy need to do to get condemned for eternity with no possibility of being forgiven?
WMD

You have to become a christian FIRST, then you can blaspheme..... oh shit. That would make you an ex-christian at that point. Rhutchin has already explained to us how unpossible that is. I guess theres no such thing as blasphemy against the holy spirit. But then why does the bible mention it? This is confusing.....Hmmm... maybe the bible only says what Rhutchin wants it to say, when he wants it to say it, and it doesn't say it when it's inconvenient for him. And this makes total sense to him. :huh: The human brain truly is a remarkable thing.

-Ubercat

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