Johnny Skeptic

Even if Jesus did rise from the dead, there is no logical correlation that can be made between the ability to rise from the dead and goodness. The Resurrection is a secondary issue. The primary issue is the questionable nature of God. Even if I believed that Jesus rose from the dead, I would still not become a Christian unless God answered a lot of questions to my satisfaction. Would you become a Christian based solely upon reasonable proof that Jesus rose from the dead?

Chili

Pardon me Johnny, but since when is it your call to become a Christian?

In case you wonder, the Resurrection transformed the crucifixion into a comedy wherein the primary nature of God is confirmed. Without Resurrection the crucifixion would have been a tragedy which is also beyond belief and just as real.

Johnny Skeptic

Each individual has the right to choose his own criteria for choosing his world view.

Are you saying that you believe that Jesus bodily rose from the dead, and that his shed blood and death remitted the sins of mankind? If so, where is your evidence? If not, then why did you mention the Resurrection, and if you did believe that Jesus bodily rose from the dead, would you become a Christian based solely upon that evidence?

Chili

Yes but that does not make one a Christian. To be called and chosen does not include your call and is not your choice.Yes I am but the body of Jesus was the altered state of consciousness that created the world as we know it and is therefore our body wherein the world is perceived by our human condition. When we inherited the sin nature of Adam we also inherit his world and it is to this given world of ours that Jesus died in the first coming of Christ.

This does not mean that my sins we remitted because my sins are mine as co-creator with God and for these I must take Jesus down from the cross and place myself upon it. It is at this time that I will become a Christian in the manner of Jesus and die to my own sins of my world that they, too, can be redeemed in heaven.

Again, it is not my call to do this but I must be crucified and die with him into the New Covenant (I think).

Johnny Skeptic

Called and chosen by whom? How did you come by this knowledge? How do you come by any of your many assertions? I need a specific identity, not an anonymous and unidentified being that you dreamed up in order to satisfy your emotional needs.

Upon what evidence do you base your assertion? Were you present at the creation? I asked you "if you did believe that Jesus bodily rose from the dead, would you become a Christian based solely upon that evidence?" You did not clearly answer my question. Please just answer yes or no.

[quote=Chili ...and is therefore our body wherein the world is perceived by our human condition.[/quote]

Are you saying that all religion is a figment of human imagination? What do you believe happens to humans after they die?

Same as before.

Same as before.

You once said that you don't read the Bible much, but you sure quote it a lot. Do you read any other religious books?

In your viewer profile you say that Catholics are God's favorite people. Do you mean Roman Catholics? If so, upon what evidence do you base this assertion?

Chili

Called to order by the Lord (that would be justification) and chosen by God in proclamation (that would be according to Romans 10:10, I think). These are facts, Johnny, because I do not dream and have no emotional needs. [quote]

Upon what evidence do you base your assertion? Were you present at the creation? I asked you "if you did believe that Jesus bodily rose from the dead, would you become a Christian based solely upon that evidence?" You did not clearly answer my question. Please just answer yes or no. [quote]

My world is my world just as yours is yours. If Jesus died for what has been given to me at birth I must do my share and die to the world I helped create as co-creator.

I am not a believer Johnny but know and agree that Jesus bodily rose from the death. However, and apart from this, would I never become a Christian on the basis of some home-spun recipe that is without substance.

Did I not tell you above how I perceive the body of Jesus? Again and I'll use different words this time to say the same thing. The world Jesus died to was the water he walked on and it is with this water that Catholics are baptized (sic) and from where they are reborn in Gods time. Hence we have "water and spirit," remember? so that when we are crucified we can also look at John below as 'us' in the fullness of life with Mary being our heavenly mother.

Yes it is but whatever exists in the imagination must exist in reality as well. It is just that we have correct opinion and therefore have a greater expansion in our imagination.

Humans get buried but man never dies. I should have said never but can't because this DB leads me to it. No, I am not a reader at all. Last year I read "The Hunchback of Notre Dame." This year I read "Final Passages" by Gail Sheehe where I found "the sexual diamond" to be a nice illustration of my theory on the cause of homosexuality (you should look into that for some answers). Yes but maybe not just Roman Catholics. Well I told you that Mary moved to Rome and started working for us after Peter dove headfirst into the celestial sea where he caught the big fish that we slice dogma from. This makes Catholicism an inspired religion that is beyond human judgment (but so is Judaism, except that we are NT people and they are OT people).