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bacht · 01-05-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Analyst

Ignoring the Aramaic -> Greek -> English name conversion, is is possible that Jesus wasn't called Jesus? That the name Jesus was picked to use because it was so common and generic - like John Doe? IIRC, Mohammed's actual given name is also unknown - Mohammed is a "stage name", selected long afterwards.

I thought Jesus was a Greek transliteration of the Semitic Joshua? He was appointed to lead the chosen people into the Promised Land. Isn't this the original messiah, the military saviour/protector of his people from hostile gentiles?

Jeffrey Gibson · 01-05-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by spamandham

Jeffrey, isn't "Jesus" an English name, derived from Latin rather than from Greek?

An English name? Spanish and other Romance language speaking people would disagree with you. So does the OED.

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[a. L. Is-s, a. Gr., ad. late Heb. or Aram. yeshua, Jeshua, for the earlier y'hushua, Jehoshua or Joshua (explained as ‘Jah (or Jahveh) is salvation’: cf. y'shueah ‘salvation, deliverance’, and Matt. i. 21), a frequent Jewish personal name, which, as that of the Founder of Christianity, has passed through Gr. and L. into all the languages of Christendom.

In any case, my main point is that the name in any of it's forms does not mean "from God". But you already knew that, didn't you.

Jeffrey

Clinical · 01-05-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Analyst

Ignoring the Aramaic -> Greek -> English name conversion, is is possible that Jesus wasn't called Jesus? That the name Jesus was picked to use because it was so common and generic - like John Doe? IIRC, Mohammed's actual given name is also unknown - Mohammed is a "stage name", selected long afterwards.

Well the Quran names him Eisa.
And Muhammed was always named Muhammed. His name is mentioned in Quranic manuscripts that date to mid-7th century.

Jeffrey Gibson · 01-05-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Analyst

Ignoring the Aramaic -> Greek -> English name conversion, is is possible that Jesus wasn't called Jesus? That the name Jesus was picked to use because it was so common and generic - like John Doe? IIRC, Mohammed's actual given name is also unknown - Mohammed is a "stage name", selected long afterwards.

Well the Quran names him Eisa.

I believe it's actually Isa.

Jeffrey

Clinical · 01-05-2009, 09:20 AM

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Well the Quran names him Eisa.

I believe it's actually Isa.

Jeffrey

Eisa is more accurate actually. I speak Arabic fluently.
Anyway Eisa or Isa, we are talking about the same word.

RareBird · 01-05-2009, 09:29 AM

Saint Nicolas = Santa Klaus = Santa Claus = Shit happens

Jeffrey Gibson · 01-05-2009, 09:37 AM

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Saint Nicolas = Santa Klaus = Santa Claus = Shit happens

As it certainly has here vis a vis claims about what the names Jesus and Joseph mean.

Jeffrey

Minimalist · 01-05-2009, 10:18 AM

Does anyone know, offhand, how the Greek writers of the Septuagint wrote out the name of "Joshua?"

Toto · 01-05-2009, 10:34 AM

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Does anyone know, offhand, how the Greek writers of the Septuagint wrote out the name of "Joshua?"

As has been stated here many times, Joshua becomes IESOUS in the LXX.

Minimalist · 01-05-2009, 12:14 PM

So then is it safe to say that Joshua = Yeshua = Jesus?

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