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Old 09-13-2004, 06:47 PM   #41
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But personally I no longer have any doubt that Q is an artifact of NT scholar assumptions, as well as the desire to have an "independent" source for Jesus. Prediction: as the pendulum swings against John's indepedence, the defense of Q will become more and more shrill, and more and more conservatives will swing over to it.
I think you'll find that conservatives have always formed the larger part of the anti-Q movement (this is even more true among non-professionals). They think of it as an attempt to find a non-divine Jesus. As the Q consensus dissolves, and people posit the dependence of Luke on Matthew more, it will be harder to defend the idea that John was not dependent on any of the Synoptics. You will then see conservatives returning to the ancient tradition that the Gospel of John was written with the Synoptics in mind.

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Old 09-14-2004, 02:26 AM   #42
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I think you'll find that conservatives have always formed the larger part of the anti-Q movement (this is even more true among non-professionals). They think of it as an attempt to find a non-divine Jesus. As the Q consensus dissolves, and people posit the dependence of Luke on Matthew more, it will be harder to defend the idea that John was not dependent on any of the Synoptics. You will then see conservatives returning to the ancient tradition that the Gospel of John was written with the Synoptics in mind.
And even although these efforts may be clothed in scholarship, they are as political as the forces that originally selected the Gospels, and edited, redacted and interpolated them, to obscure the authentic Jesus Tradition, and use it as a spring-board for a new, gentile religious movement. It is amazing how powerful the original Tradition still is, and how they continue to find it threatening and have to use "scholarly" devices to supress it.
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