mountainman

Dominican Biblical Institute



Dominican Order


Excommunication

mountainman

Earlier thread ... on the idea that Jesus did not exist being a modern notion (Bart Ehrman)

wordy

The very sad thing is that even atheists ridicule other atheists
for seeing Jesus as all myth. I fail to get why. should we not
care about what is the best explanation. human imagined the gods.

wordy

From the review by Tom Dykstra
http://www.amazon.com/review/R37U9PH...55&store=books

Elisha seems to be very similar story as Jesus.

wordy

Is it not ironic that a christian believer like Brodie
come to the conclusion that jesus is myth while
Richard Carrier an atheist comes to the opposite view?

http://richardcarrier.blogspot.se/20...ble-faith.html

in answering a comment he writes
Not the Impossible Faith is a book Carrier wrote.
this was way back in 2009 has he changed mind
or is he still supporting the HJ view?

http://richardcarrier.blogspot.com/2...18677511325305

Chili

Excommunication is a necessary result only if the life-line is severed, which can only be true if it is real and not a fantasy. So it is beyond disfellowship only because this 'line' is real and not just imaginary.

So please do not bring any bullshit stories in that relate to other religions as this is Catholic.

It is based on the old idea that Limbo is real for the unbaptized that so becomes the life-line that now is severed and back to Limbo the believer will go where only the TOK is functional without the indoctrinated values in the TOL, with TOL being the city of God in function, such as it was Nazareth for Jesus in Luke but not in Matthew, and so is why they went in different directions when everything was said and done, which here now makes 'excommunication' real.

In essence it is just their way of affirming that heaven is for Catholics only in good standing with the Church that resides within the believer. So here again, they are doing it for the believer and not for them, although it is necessary to make this known to maintain their status as the Holy Church which includes the idea that Catholics cannot go to hell as Catholic inside the protection of the shepherd.

Therefore: shunning and shit like that is not part of it and is why they still are called 'lost brethren'

Robert Tulip

Yes, this is the method described in The Essence of Christianity by Ludwig Feuerbach almost two centuries ago. Feuerbach shows that God is the outward projection of man's inward nature. Anthropologically, to understand all religious ideas as a projection of human imagination upon the world makes complete sense.

But are we not human? Can we through our modern rationality place ourselves above the entire history of our species? We obviously stand in continuity with our genetic heritage. The need to construct myths of the imagination is just as much present today as ever. While some today have capacity to place imagination within an objective scientific framework, complex uncertain scientific problems such as the identity of Jesus Christ continue to require mythic imagination.

The challenge now is to reconstruct our gods on the basis of scientific knowledge. This is what Brodie is doing through his demonstration that Jesus was invented on the basis of Old Testament scripture.

Neil Godfrey provides an illuminating quote:

Robert Tulip

The Inquisition (also termed the Holy Office) changed its name to the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith when it was headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope of Rome. The church later deleted the term "sacred" from its title. One of Ratzinger's main achievements as head of the Inquisition was the suppression of liberation theology.

Robert Tulip

A less known newspeak term is "Crimestop", to rid oneself of unwanted thoughts, i.e., thoughts that interfere with the ideology of the Party. This way, a person avoids committing thoughtcrime. Orwell defines crimestop as "protective stupidity", something Brodie may find to be amongst the chief weaponry of the inquisition.

The following text was taken from wikipedia but is now deleted

Chili

Except that Col. 1:15 is about the first-born of all creatures which here is Christ instead of Jesus or we'd have Jesus apples and oranges too. Our genus is animal and the image of the genus here is Man and not Jesus as the transition stage between human and man.

For Thomas Brodie to call Jesus a solitary individual is totally wrong in that Jesus was just a personification of the transitory stage between human as outsider to himself, on his way to become fully man as God himself on behalf of Joseph here in the particular, to whom the Christ was born, let's not forget.

This identity was later pointed out by Jesus from the cross to be the favorite disciple below the cross and his name was John. This makes John the Christ now as solitary individual and Jesus just the way to set him free, and for this he had to die to the sin nature of Joseph here, and on the cross that was peculiar to Joseph that actually carved the cave wherein they buried him, which happened to be in his own backyard to show just that.

IOW, the cross he carried was the entire human enterprise that Joseph was (in Zamjatin's "WE" is called "The Integral" that also was the Minotaur that Theseus fought, as was artistry of Joyce, there called Stephan Dedalus that he walked away from in the end to emerge again on May 1 when new life begins).

In short, poetry is crammed with it and here Thomas Brodie still clings to that which must be left behind = Jesus on the cross.

But there is nothing new about this error, and that is why we left him hanging there lest he becomes the idol as deciever and so the anti-christ.

And of course we are human, and we are rational as well and may also have red hair. But all of those are names that point at qualities of who we think we are what we look like as 'look-alikes' who look but do not see the prior animal in us to whom these attributes belong, and so are conditional to us, and hence temporal in our days.