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DBT · 03-28-2005, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlongmire

Unable to sin, because we will know in full what it means to sin.

God could have simply created the 'children of God who do not sin' from the start and bypassed 6207years of human suffering.

Jehanne · 03-28-2005, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by John A. Broussard

The consensus in this forum seems to be that we go to heaven because of our free will and we will lose that quality when we get there.

So the question now seems to be, why was there ever any free will? It seems it would have been a lot less messy just to have humans go directly to heaven.

Obviously I'm missing something here.

Everyone is born with original sin, which is why infants who die without Baptism go to Hell (Limbo, as I said, being “at the top�?.) God gives grace to whom he chooses, which is why those who never hear about Jesus go to Hell when they die, also. Given enough grace, everyone would choose to believe, but God (being a psychotic), chooses to “glorify�? whom he wishes, which is why nearly everyone ends up in Hell. Kind of like the evil Q from Star Trek!

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