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John A. Broussard · 03-27-2005, 10:22 AM

Are there any views of heaven where its inhabitants will continue to have free will?

ecco · 03-27-2005, 12:09 PM

My view: Everyone will have free will. However, during our ascent, we will be “godified�?. By godified I mean that we will all become so pure of heart we would never think of raping, robbing or killing anyone; not even of insulting anyone. We would all get along in heaven like…Hmmm, I can’t even think of an earthly analogy.

We will all be able to do want we WANT to do, but all we would ever WANT to do are good things. Millions and Billions and Trillions of years of being and doing GOOD.

Amaleq13 · 03-27-2005, 12:16 PM

This seems to be more of a General Religious Discussion than a consideration of Biblical Criticism & History...swoosh!

Crucifiction · 03-27-2005, 12:47 PM

We will all be able to do want we WANT to do, but all we would ever WANT to do are good things. Millions and Billions and Trillions of years of being and doing GOOD.

In other words: robots.

Chili · 03-27-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by John A. Broussard

Are there any views of heaven where its inhabitants will continue to have free will?

The only difference between heaven and earth is that on earth we think that we have free will while in heaven we only know that we thought about. Same with death. On earth we know that we will die while in heaven we only know that we thought about it.

Jehanne · 03-28-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by John A. Broussard

Are there any views of heaven where its inhabitants will continue to have free will?

Those people who go to Heaven will continue to have free will but they will have lost the capacity to sin.

(P.S. I do not believe in Heaven, or an afterlife! :angel: )

jdlongmire · 03-28-2005, 10:53 AM

Unable to sin, because we will know in full what it means to sin.

Anguirus · 03-28-2005, 11:03 AM

If we're unable to sin, we don't have free will. Period. Another snag in the heaven concept.

Chili · 03-28-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Anguirus

If we're unable to sin, we don't have free will. Period. Another snag in the heaven concept.

Without the Law there is not sin so how can sin exist in heaven where there is no Law?

The difference is to be circumsized by natural law wherein the least of our brethren is our equal and a broken reed he shall not crush.

John A. Broussard · 03-28-2005, 11:09 AM

The consensus in this forum seems to be that we go to heaven because of our free will and we will lose that quality when we get there.

So the question now seems to be, why was there ever any free will? It seems it would have been a lot less messy just to have humans go directly to heaven.

Obviously I'm missing something here.

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ecco Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: SE Posts: 4,845	Goodie Goodie Goodie My view: Everyone will have free will. However, during our ascent, we will be “godified�?. By godified I mean that we will all become so pure of heart we would never think of raping, robbing or killing anyone; not even of insulting anyone. We would all get along in heaven like…Hmmm, I can’t even think of an earthly analogy. We will all be able to do want we WANT to do, but all we would ever WANT to do are good things. Millions and Billions and Trillions of years of being and doing GOOD.

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03-27-2005, 12:16 PM	#3
Amaleq13 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 7,816	This seems to be more of a General Religious Discussion than a consideration of Biblical Criticism & History...swoosh!

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Crucifiction Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The deformation age Posts: 1,809	We will all be able to do want we WANT to do, but all we would ever WANT to do are good things. Millions and Billions and Trillions of years of being and doing GOOD. In other words: robots.

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jdlongmire Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: American by birth, Southern by the grace of God! Posts: 2,657	Unable to sin, because we will know in full what it means to sin.

03-28-2005, 11:03 AM	#8
Anguirus Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 197	If we're unable to sin, we don't have free will. Period. Another snag in the heaven concept.

03-28-2005, 11:09 AM	#10
John A. Broussard Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawaii Posts: 6,629	The consensus in this forum seems to be that we go to heaven because of our free will and we will lose that quality when we get there. So the question now seems to be, why was there ever any free will? It seems it would have been a lot less messy just to have humans go directly to heaven. Obviously I'm missing something here.

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