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Rick Sumner · 09-29-2003, 02:32 PM

I remember reading somewhere that Bultmann had concluded that Rom.1.1-4 was a pre-Pauline address, which Paul had adopted to convey apostolic authority to the church at Rome. I can't remember where I read it.

Anyone got a specific reference for it?

Regards,
Rick

Peter Kirby · 09-29-2003, 03:03 PM

Try Bultmann's Theology of the New Testament (1948-53; ET, 1952-5; 2 vols). There is a section on the theology of Paul, naturally. No, I haven't read it, I just googled it.

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Peter Kirby

Toto · 09-29-2003, 03:53 PM

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[Steve Carr] next claims that Rom. 1:1-4 "Romans 1:1-4 states that the gospel came from the scriptures and never states that the gospel came from eyewitnesses." First of all, the verses in question do not say that the gospel "came from" Scripture; in fact the verses say that coming of Jesus and his death and resurrection were promised in the Scripture. The testimony of the eyewitnesses simply confirms that these events did in fact occur as promised. If it were not for the eyewitnesses there would be no way of proving that Scripture had been fulfilled. The earliest Christians became Christians because of the testimony of Scripture and of that of the eyewitnesses. BTW, it is commonly recognized that at least portions of vs 3-4 are "a fragment of early Christian proclamation or confession, "a handed-down formula" (Bultmann, TNT, 1.49.)" [Fitzmyer, 229; Bultmann's book is his Theology of the New Testament, 2 vols. (SCM, 1952-5)]

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Peter Kirby · 09-29-2003, 04:54 PM

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I found that with Google

Proof that Google is God--Google is not responsible for the content that Google itself presents, just like a real god!

Google even knows your phone number (and how to get to your house). Don't be naughty or Google will get you!

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Rick Sumner · 09-29-2003, 05:36 PM

Thanks Peter and Toto,

For anyone interested, according to Christopher G. Whitsett, in JBL 119:4 (2000), p.661, Peter and Toto were bang on regarding what I need to look for-- Rudolf Bultmann, Theology of the New Testament (New York: Charles Scribner�s Sons, 1951), 1:49.

The Whitsett article is a response to Bultmann, which Whitsett also informs me are far and few between, with Bultmann's interpretation being something of a standard.

When did the JBL archives become accessible to non-members? They're all up but the current issue! (except for vol.119, which can be found here) If I recall correctly, this wasn't always the case.

Regards,
Rick

Peter Kirby · 09-29-2003, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Sumner
When did the JBL archives become accessible to non-members? They're all up but the current issue! (except for vol.119, which can be found here) If I recall correctly, this wasn't always the case.

I'm like, "Holy crap! That's awesome." But it only goes back to Winter 2000. More trips to the library for me...

best,
Peter Kirby

Rick Sumner · 09-29-2003, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Peter Kirby
I'm like, "Holy crap! That's awesome." But it only goes back to Winter 2000. More trips to the library for me...

best,
Peter Kirby

Ah, sorry, my wording was a little deceptive. What I meant to say was "the archives that used to be restricted are. . .".

As far as I know, that's all you get if you're a member too though, with the addition of the current issue. Unless they've changed that too. . .

They need to get the sixties o/l--easily the most oft referenced in my experience.

Regards,
Rick

09-29-2003, 02:32 PM	#1
Rick Sumner Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada Posts: 2,612	Bultmann on Romans I remember reading somewhere that Bultmann had concluded that Rom.1.1-4 was a pre-Pauline address, which Paul had adopted to convey apostolic authority to the church at Rome. I can't remember where I read it. Anyone got a specific reference for it? Regards, Rick

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09-29-2003, 03:03 PM	#2
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Try Bultmann's Theology of the New Testament (1948-53; ET, 1952-5; 2 vols). There is a section on the theology of Paul, naturally. No, I haven't read it, I just googled it. best, Peter Kirby

09-29-2003, 04:54 PM	#4
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Google is God! I found that with Google Proof that Google is God--Google is not responsible for the content that Google itself presents, just like a real god! Google even knows your phone number (and how to get to your house). Don't be naughty or Google will get you! in google's grip, Peter Kirby

09-29-2003, 05:36 PM	#5
Rick Sumner Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada Posts: 2,612	Thanks Peter and Toto, For anyone interested, according to Christopher G. Whitsett, in JBL 119:4 (2000), p.661, Peter and Toto were bang on regarding what I need to look for-- Rudolf Bultmann, Theology of the New Testament (New York: Charles Scribner�s Sons, 1951), 1:49. The Whitsett article is a response to Bultmann, which Whitsett also informs me are far and few between, with Bultmann's interpretation being something of a standard. When did the JBL archives become accessible to non-members? They're all up but the current issue! (except for vol.119, which can be found here) If I recall correctly, this wasn't always the case. Regards, Rick

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