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Old 06-12-2012, 01:39 AM   #1
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Does anyone know of any quotable comparison of just how much Matthew and Luke copied from Mark? I've heard 80% bandied about but I'd like something not-bandied! Or is there even a side by side comparison somewhere?


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Does anyone know of any quotable comparison of just how much Matthew and Luke copied from Mark? I've heard 80% bandied about but I'd like something not-bandied! Or is there even a side by side comparison somewhere?


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Just type Four gospel comparison or four gospels side by side or synoptic parallels in Google and innumerable sites will fall out.
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I think copied is a poor word to describe the relationship between Mark on one hand, Matthew and Luke on the other. What I think would be accurate to say is that Matthew and Luke probably used Mark as one of their sources, perhaps even their most important source. Since none of the Gospel writers were witnesses to the events recorded they had to get information from somewhere. It seems that Matthew and Luke got a lot of their information from Mark, but that is by no means certain.

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Vorkosigan's answer is best. Here are two web sites, with the original greek, and you can set up two browsers, and a split screen, unless you are sufficiently skillful (I am not) to have TWO video cards in your computer, so that you can have two flat screen monitors next to each other....

http://sepd.biblos.com/genesis/1.htm

http://www.greeknewtestament.com/index.htm

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This diagram might help:

Relationship between synoptic gospels

If accurate, gMatthew incorporates 94% of gMark and gLuke incorporates 79% of gMark.
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I think copied is a poor word to describe the relationship between Mark on one hand, Matthew and Luke on the other. What I think would be accurate to say is that Matthew and Luke probably used Mark as one of their sources, perhaps even their most important source. Since none of the Gospel writers were witnesses to the events recorded they had to get information from somewhere. It seems that Matthew and Luke got a lot of their information from Mark, but that is by no means certain.

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In any event, we are certain that the short-ending gMark Jesus story, and the interpolated long-ending gMark are virtually IDENTICAL except for the 12 additional verses at the end.

The short ending gMark Jesus story had a PROFOUND influence on the Interpolated long ending--virtually EVERY single verse was used Word-for-Word.

Next, gMark had a MASSIVE influence on the author of gMatthew, although the birth narrative, the Sermon on the mount and the post-resurrection visits were added the Jesus story in gMatthew is also virtually 100% word-for-word copy of the gMark Jesus story.

gLuke also contains many of the events in gMark which again shows that the gMark story was the MOST influential Jesus story in the Canon.

Remarkably, the Pauline writings, although claimed to have been circulated DIRECTLY in churches had ZERO influence on the gMark Jesus story.

It would appear that NO author of the Synoptics attended a Pauline church nor was influenced by Paul even though it is implied Paul preached about Jesus for over 17 years in major cities of the Roman Empire.
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I think copied is a poor word to describe the relationship between Mark on one hand, Matthew and Luke on the other. ...
Except that the very words are copied. :huh: Some scholars have described Matthew and Luke as rewrites of Mark.
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I think copied is a poor word to describe the relationship between Mark on one hand, Matthew and Luke on the other. ...
Except that the very words are copied. :huh: Some scholars have described Matthew and Luke as rewrites of Mark.

true, they are


layered like a onion with mark at the center, and their own personal theology based on their geographic location differences from Gmark
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I think copied is a poor word to describe the relationship between Mark on one hand, Matthew and Luke on the other. ...
Except that the very words are copied. :huh: Some scholars have described Matthew and Luke as rewrites of Mark.
Maybe for gMatthew, but gLuke shows verbal parallels that indicate a translation from a common Aramaic source. See Post #230 in my thread

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Twelve-Source from Levi: Mark 1:40-2:17; 3:7-19; 3:22-4:41; 6:2, 4-5; 9:14-29, 33-37; 10:35-11:11; 12: 1-17, 24-34; 14:10-25
These passages along with the rest of Q and L were already in Proto-Luke, so only the the following passages from an intermediate edition of gMark were copied into gLuke:
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Ur-Marcus in John: Mark 6:30-52; 11:15-17; 14:3-9, 27-30; Passion Narrative 14:43-
Ur-Marcus Greek: Mark 1:1-3, 21-39; 2:18-3:4; 5:1-43; 8:27-9:7; 9:30-32, 38-42; 10:13-10:34; 11:27-33, 12:18-23, 38-40; 12:18-23, 35-44; 13:1-17, 28-31; 14:1-2, 32-42
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Does anyone know of any quotable comparison of just how much Matthew and Luke copied from Mark? I've heard 80% bandied about but I'd like something not-bandied! Or is there even a side by side comparison somewhere?
Here is a good site for this. If you want to add Paul's writings, gJohn, and gThomas into the mix, see here.
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