sschlichter

Then you're sadly misinformed and unable to view this rationally.

You're also ignoring the thrust of my question: why would these foreigners in long, inherited captivity in Israel be:

(a) more inclined to idol worship than they would be
(b) inclined to borrow the majority culture of their captors around them

Since (b) is what every other captive group of people have done, you'll need to show evidence why it wouldn't happen this time, ESPECIALLY when captives are taken as children and integrated into the daily life of their captors.

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Do you have an example of a captive group that was freed after 7 years? No, they assimilated because they were not freed after 7 years.

It is not about my argument. It is about history. Isreal was influenced by the surrounding nations and worshipped idols and sacrificed children just like everyone else. I never made any argument about them being better. They were not selected because they were better. They became slaves at the hand of God. It was for the purpose of rehabilitation. They returned to Isreal and did not worship idols any longer.

sschlichter

All of the same elements exist today. People join the army today. They give up rights for 3,5, or 7 years in exchange for learning a skill. It is the exact same thing. In the army, you are not free to come and go as you please. The only difference is the terms were harsher. Who are you to say when they are too harsh?

Sheshonq

No, the question reflects the fact that sugarhitman cannot admit that hte bible condones an immoral state. And my question is being ignored because sugarhitman knows that as soon as he tries to answer it he must either:

a. explain the moral contradiction of a bible that condones and even commands out-and-out slavery;
OR
b. twist himself into increasingly ridiculous positions.

And it is being argued rather disingenuously by both of your. Sugarhitman is trying to rationalize out-and-out slavery, while you are deliberately blurring the distinction indentured servitude and slavery.

sschlichter

That is exactly right. All the drama and imagery attached to the word slave is the contrived issue. It is amazing that you can take the law that strictly forbids the abuse of slaves and turn it into an endorsement of abuse.

We have sexual harrassment laws because people in the workplace have abused other people in the workplace. Does that make work immoral?

Exciter

Again you have failed to grasp what the Bible teaches what Sodom was destroyed for, it wasn't anal sex. This an invention on part of ignorant people like yourself that really don't know what they are talking about.

Seriously, sugarhitman, you should spend more time getting an actual education and then maybe you won't have such a warped veiw of things.

The reason you have to work like a slave is because you have been instituted to believe that you are one. I understand that has happened to a lot of people like you, and would like to try to help, and I do try.

Once again I apologize for what people have done to you to have given you such a dim veiw of the world and humanity, it is not fair.

If the only solace you have left is to believe in the slave mentality of pie in the sky, then so be it. I will leave you alone.
They did in a very sick twisted sense become a world power sugarhitman. They have enslaved you and your people into a life of despair, I'm sorry there is nothing I can do... there are just too many of you.

Anyone who wasn't slaughtered would be imprisoned and indoctrinated into what those states would have wanted.

Nazi Germany and Japan would have probably tortured and worked me to death if not terminated me as soon as I was captured, assuming I was alive then.

Well why worry about it so much like you do? Laugh your ass off at it! They are going to call you crazy either way, do you not see that? Have you not learned a thing I have tried to show you?



Saying what?

sschlichter

Why don't you supply all the verses that refer to slavery and give me a list of the ones that are referring to bond servant relationships and those referring to slaves?

It must be cut and dry - this way I will not be able to blur them.

Sheshonq

I dont need an example. You're the one with the claim that this assimilation wouldn't happen among children.

1. Interesting claim - let's see your proof.

2. If they assimilate then why was Moses concerned about foreigners introducing idolatry? You don't seem to consider the ramifications of the home-made claims you toss out.

Sadly, I'm afraid it is most certainly about your argument. You've tossed an ad hoc assumption out here: Moses ordered the slaughter of innocent children to prevent the spread of idolatry.

1. What do children know about idol worship?
2. Why wouldn't those children simply assimilate the local culture, esp. since they are children and impressionable?
3. If the Hebrews were just as bad as surrounding peoples, then foreign children pose no more of a threat of idolatory than native-born Hebrew children would.

The argument you tossed above isn't history; it's your argument about a semi-mythical history. Don't confuse the two.

Sheshonq

It is not slavery. It s a form of contract, indentured servitude. It is voluntary. It has legal rights and boundaries.

You've been dishonestly jumping back and forth between (a) indentured servitude and (b) outright slavery, and pretending that there is no difference.

There is a huge difference, and the Hebrews practiced both.

Sheshonq

They've already been provided in this thread - several times. I'm not going to spoon-feed you.

Search for verses that indicate a slavery that does not end after 7 years, or during the Jubilee - and slaves that become an inheritance forever. Then search for verses during the conquest of Canaan where the Hebrews are allowed to take women as spoil of war.

I suspect you'll find a way anyhow.

Exciter

In his defense there have been drafts, although I don't think sschlichter was drafted in the Army. Drafts are involuntary.

There also are circumstances when people either join the army or go to jail, this might be his case, considering his empathy with criminals.

Of course he might have been deprived a decent education either by his own arrogance or a system that "failed" students who's parents treated schools as a government funded daycare and was forced to go into the glorified welfare of the US Armed Forces to get a trade.