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SonOfFred · 11-26-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bible John

He and she who has ears let them hear!
He and she who has eyes let them see!

And this is an appropriate response to my comments because...?

Bible John · 11-26-2005, 06:28 PM

In response to your sexual remarks I say that I should not seek my reward in the world that you live in.

<As a heterosexual Bible thumper, you don't really know what you're talking about when you're discussing homosexuality. That's why you confused homosexuality with bestiality.>

No both sins are sexually immoral and those that practice them who live in the Lake of Fire which is the second death. I was using bestiality as a comparison and a example that this sin is also sexually immoral in the mind of the Lord and his written word. In Revelation it says that the sexually immoral will not inherit heaven, but will live in the Lake of Fire. Homosexuals and those that practice bestiality will be there.

<Romans 2:1 "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?">

<Let me give you a little bit of unsolicited advice: If you ever want to convince an "unbeliever" that your religion has validity and want to convert them to belief, you might want to drop the smug superiority and nasty condescension about people who don't believe. It's that self-righteousness that Jesus often spoke against and what turns a lot of people off. Sure, you're receiving a lot of snarky responses here, but your very first post was full of insults toward people who don't believe as you do.[/QUOTE]>

The bible judges homosexuality as sin. He gave Jesus to die for your, my and the worlds sins so that the world could go to heaven instead of hell. I pray that one day you will repent of your wickedness and turn to the one and true God.

John

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Originally Posted by Evilicious

((((Bible John)))))

I'm sorry you failed so miserably. That's gotta hurt.

Has anyone ever told you that you're really SEXY whenever you get all preachy and self-righteous? Okay, maybe it's never happened and maybe it's unlikely that it ever WILL happen, but it could happen if you believe in miracles. Pigs might fly. There might be world peace. And Jesus might have been resurrected from the dead. So, hang in there!

You do realize that was written approximately 2000 years ago, right? When it's talking about "the god of this age," wouldn't that be the god of 2000 years ago and not today, in the 21st century? Do you actually think about what you're quoting whenever you prooftext?

Or maybe there's just NOT enough time in the world for you to be prepared?

That should be "Jason and I." Don't forget that it's a sin to use improper grammar!

As a heterosexual Bible thumper, you don't really know what you're talking about when you're discussing homosexuality. That's why you confused homosexuality with bestiality.

Are you having problems with your employment or did you mean personal issues?

Since you LOVE quoting Bible verses, here are a couple that you might consider:

Matthew 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

Romans 2:1 "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?"

Let me give you a little bit of unsolicited advice: If you ever want to convince an "unbeliever" that your religion has validity and want to convert them to belief, you might want to drop the smug superiority and nasty condescension about people who don't believe. It's that self-righteousness that Jesus often spoke against and what turns a lot of people off. Sure, you're receiving a lot of snarky responses here, but your very first post was full of insults toward people who don't believe as you do.

SonOfFred · 11-26-2005, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bible John

I am sorry and would have addressed his points if we had agreed to a two week time frame in between statements.

It seems to me that, if this was really a problem, you would have taken it up with Pervy and the moderators and requested (or at least discussed) a change in the parameters, rather than just not say anything and wind up in forfeit.

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Originally Posted by John

This is my fault and if Pevry's wants to debate again with this time frame in state I will gladly address and debunk all his points.

Yes I have a Greek Interlinear Bible, Vines, Strongs and would have debunked what he said with the original text.

You've always been long on boasting and short on facts and performance. I'm sure you'll forgive a few of us whom might respond to the above with, "I'll believe it when I see it."

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Originally Posted by John

Have some grace will you? Its only my first debate.

Ever? Anywhere? Be careful how you answer. Usenet has a record of you.

Bible John · 11-26-2005, 06:36 PM

<You departed the group because your credibility was utterly destroyed, in no small part due to your own indiscretions. >

No because the due time had come and the 196 days of my ministry were complete. If the Lord calls me back I will go, but right know I do not feel that this is where He wants me. It does warn in the bible about preaching to those with deaf ears.

Remember my last post?

John

SonOfFred · 11-26-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bible John

Yes I have a Greek Interlinear Bible, Vines, Strongs and would have debunked what he said...

Let me suggest, John, that there's nothing stopping you from debunking him here in the Peanut Gallery.

SonOfFred · 11-26-2005, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bible John

<You departed the group because your credibility was utterly destroyed, in no small part due to your own indiscretions. >

No because the due time had come and the 196 days of my ministry were complete. If the Lord calls me back I will go, but right know I do not feel that this is where He wants me. It does warn in the bible about preaching to those with deaf ears.

Your "due time" was a convenient mechanism that allowed you to withdraw. But the fact is that there was no mention of that "due time" until you had been pretty thoroughly trashed on pretty much every point.

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Originally Posted by John

Remember my last post?

Vaguely. What should I remember from it?

SonOfFred · 11-26-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bible John

Well we can debate or I can debate Pevry again with a 2 week time frame in place and I guarantee I'll debunk you.

You've been online for quite a while...shucks, you're online right now. I hope you're composing your debunking on the subject matter...

Bible John · 11-26-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfFred

You don't suppose that part of the problem was that you were sending theatening, paranoid, and obnoxious emails to people, accusing them of things other people were doing, and sucking up to Jason Gastrich in the process, when you should have been preparing your debate entries here?

Its my first debate give me some slack! Yes I admit I lost because I did not properly calculate or tak advantage of my free time. Yes I was sending emails, and have chatted a bit with Jason in private email. I've also spent a great deal of time on my vacation playing video games, watching movies, eating food and hanging out with family and friends.

Not including helping my gal friend Mellissa on her exegetical paper for her Life and Letters of Paul I course which I earned myself an A+! But I earned a A- on the exegetical paper.

But you are right in that most of my debates were informal in my education. But I did take Phil and Critical Thought, and I did take Theology II where I was involved in formal debates. Once I debated nearly the entire class on the Roles of women in ministry! The only to agree with me were other fundemantalists. In the limited mind of the Atheist every christian is a fundemantalist but this is far from the truth. Atheists need to study christianty, and learn about the different theological systems and philosophies within christendom.

I am learning and will do better in my next debate.

John

Bible John · 11-26-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfFred

Let me suggest, John, that there's nothing stopping you from debunking him here in the Peanut Gallery.

Will he read it?

Bible John · 11-26-2005, 07:02 PM

Do your research. I believe it was a Bible John or perhaps a johnw_94020 post were I mentioned the days of my ministry. This implied a due time.

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Originally Posted by SonOfFred

Your "due time" was a convenient mechanism that allowed you to withdraw. But the fact is that there was no mention of that "due time" until you had been pretty thoroughly trashed on pretty much every point.

Vaguely. What should I remember from it?

11-26-2005, 06:36 PM	#84
Bible John Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area California Posts: 834	Re Son of Fred <You departed the group because your credibility was utterly destroyed, in no small part due to your own indiscretions. > No because the due time had come and the 196 days of my ministry were complete. If the Lord calls me back I will go, but right know I do not feel that this is where He wants me. It does warn in the bible about preaching to those with deaf ears. Remember my last post? John

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