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Roger Pearse · 04-20-2006, 02:19 PM

One point that is worth making about that list of references: remember that Antiquities was transmitted in decades, not as a whole. Knowledge of books 1-10 is not evidence for knowledge of books 11-20, and vice versa.

There is also the question of whether the Fathers knew Josephus directly, or via anthologies of 'useful' passages, such as that of biblical proof-texts used by Cyprian in ???(I've forgotten which work -- this isn't my argument, so it might be Hardwick's). However until we have evidence that such a collection containing excerpts from Josephus circulated, I think we must regard this as an unnecessary hypothesis. (Never create two witnesses where the data is adequately explained by one).

I do have the portion of Hardwick that deals with Minucius Felix online for other reasons here.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

04-20-2006, 05:27 PM

Greetings Ted,

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Originally Posted by TedM

Does anyone know of a good site that lists all of the early pre-Eusebius references by Church Fathers (and perhaps others) to the writings of Josephus?
ted

A quick GREP shows these names :

* Minucius Felix
* Clement Alex.
* Irenaeus
* Theophilus
* Pascal Canon of Anatolius
* Hippolytus
* Julius Africanus
* Methodius
* Origen
* Tertullian

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04-20-2006, 02:19 PM	#11
Roger Pearse Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 4,370	One point that is worth making about that list of references: remember that Antiquities was transmitted in decades, not as a whole. Knowledge of books 1-10 is not evidence for knowledge of books 11-20, and vice versa. There is also the question of whether the Fathers knew Josephus directly, or via anthologies of 'useful' passages, such as that of biblical proof-texts used by Cyprian in ???(I've forgotten which work -- this isn't my argument, so it might be Hardwick's). However until we have evidence that such a collection containing excerpts from Josephus circulated, I think we must regard this as an unnecessary hypothesis. (Never create two witnesses where the data is adequately explained by one). I do have the portion of Hardwick that deals with Minucius Felix online for other reasons here. All the best, Roger Pearse

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