outhouse

The mathmatical odds do not matter unless the rest of the missing pieces were all to line up.

Right now they dont and or are unknown.



There is a reason why modern scholarships wont touch this.

TedM

THe math is kickin me. Dang.. But, what pieces need to line up? My attempt was to focus not on Jesus but on the odds that a combination would show up among the rest of the population, and then see how that applies to the ossuary findings. If it turns out that there say only a 10 or 20% chance out of the 719 ossuary names we would find a grouping such as in the Talpoit tomb it just seems to me that we have an anomaly..

We can always explain away why Jesus shouldn't be in that tomb. But it is not near as easy to explain away why that tomb with those name should not have even been found. See my point?

THAT issue is moot if the math doesn't support it. I made a mistake above, and haven't yet figured out the fixes.

aa5874

Without even taking your math into consideration it would appear that you are completely wrong to even suggest the Tomb of Talpiot may be the Jesus family tomb.

1. In the NT, the Family of Jesus [the son of the Ghost] lived in NAZARETH of Galilee.

2. In the NT, the Father of Jesus was NOT a man called Joseph.

3. In the NT, Jesus of NAZARETH went to Jerusalem merely for a Passover, NOT to live there, when he was crucified.

4. In the NT, a RICH MAN, Joseph of Arimathea, NOT the father of Jesus, buried Jesus in his family tomb or some tomb that was available.

5. In the NT, when the visitors went to the tomb the body of Jesus had vanished.

6. If Jesus of Nazareth did exist, was crucified but was seen with his disciples eating Fish three days later and the tomb was empty then Jesus must have survived the crucifixion.

7. Based on the NT, the Family tomb of Jesus is expected to be in Nazareth of Galilee and it is not expected that there would be any bones of Jesus in any ossuary in Jerusalem.

TedM there is no need for your Math.

The stories about Jesus of Nazareth is that he survived the crucifixion.


Luke 24 If the NT is true, Jesus did NOT really die but Recovered like One of the Three Crucified victims in the Life of Flavius Josephus.

Life of Flavius Josephus 75
If the NT IS TRUE then it is NOT KNOWN when Jesus really died or where he died or who was his father if it was NOT a Ghost.

Just forget about your Math--Virtually ALL Apologetic sources claimed Jesus Reovered and did commission the disciples to preach the Gospel.

[Mark 16[/u]

TedM

aa, I wrote this:

It is clear that you have not seen my point. If the stats don't support a name combination other than that of Jesus' family, then how else are they to be explained other than to consider the falseness of some of the assumptions about Jesus' family and his resurrection? But, cart before horse. The math must support it.

outhouse

What date exactly do these boxes start to be in use?

What date were bones added?

When was the last date of bones added?

Why would Yehoshuas family be in a rich mans boxes?

Why there and not in Galilee?


Were these bones of possible generations of people placed in these boxes at once? Or were they added to as people died?


When were the inscriptions on the boxes added?


When was the tomb carved out?
How long in use?

TedM

The great thing about the ossuaries is that they were only used for about 100 years, exactly when Jesus was said to be alive. Your other questions all have easy answers, though certainly not provable.

My approach is to not get too caught up in the Jesus side of the equation, but to look at the raw data too see how 'surprising' it would be to find the cluster of names just from our knowledge of names of the day--pretending in effect that we have never even heard of Jesus.

People say the names are common, but that's a copout. The fact is that there are uncommon combinations. While Jesus and Joseph are common names, the combinatoin Jesus, son of Joseph is not common enough to expect every tomb to have it. Jose was a very uncommon form of Joseph. The combinations together would be even MORE uncommon. I see nothing wrong with my approach above except that I screwed up the math. I'm actually trying to learn the necessary probability equations (surely they can't be too hard) to set it straight, but must admit my head is starting to spin..

aa5874

If Jesus did NOT recover from the crucifixion and commissioned the disciples to preach the Goods NEWS OF HIS SURVIVAL then the NT is a source of Fiction and cannot be trusted.

If Apologetic sources made false claims about the survival of Jesus then they could have invented his crucifixion.

We know that they invented his birth, all the miracles, and the ascension.

In the NT, the Family of Jesus lived in Nazareth of Galilee so it is expected the the Family Tomb would be in Nazareth of Galilee.

After all burial Tombs have been found in an area that is called Nazareth today.

I have just demonstrated that you have the cart before the horse.

1. You cannot establish at all that Jesus of the NT had a father named Joseph.

2. You cannot establish when Jesus of the NT died because it is claimed he RECOVERED.

3. Virtually All authors of the Canon claimed or implied Jesus survived the crucifixion.

4. When the visitors went to Anoint the dead body of Jesus it had vanished.


Your math is all GIGO--garbage in garbage out.

Sheshbazzar

Is a dead Jesus in a box any better than a mythical Jesus? Neither one is ever going to get you to heaven.

And a dead Jesus in a box is a Jesus we know nothing about. The only Jesus of Nazareth we know anything about is the mythical miracle working Jesus described in The Gospels, and that one cannot be the Jesus among Jesus's that was ever placed in any ossuary.

aa5874

When was Jesus alive?? When did Jesus really die in the NT if he did live??

In the Canon Jesus was COOKING Fish at the "beach" with the disciples After the Crucifixion....See John 21

Juma

The brothers name was Joses, not Jose. If you claim that jose is a form of joses or vice versa then you have to ibclude all other possible forms in you statistical calculation(as f ex joseph)

James ossuary? The inscription on that ossuary says jakob , brother of joshua. No mention of either james or jesus. (I know that there exist a custom of changin the names in translationof the bible, but an ossuary is not the bible)

Please give a reference to any such statement made in actual article in a peer previewed journal!

No, it isnt. But it seems definitely to be a family tomb of josua, including his child judah(!) but IF this is the family of the NT then there is a lot of other questions....