OneInFundieville

Has anyone tried to construct?

Identifying the overall tree? And specific meme mutations and recombinations at various branch points?

premjan

There's probably a lot of gene sharing and recombination.

I always thought that Christian ideas of resurrection related to Egyptian ideas of the afterlife. Armageddon and Judgment day are probably borrowed from the Zoroastrians.

Hinduism is related to Indo-European beliefs of e.g. the Norse, Greeks etc. mixed up with aboriginal cults of India. There is a definite sibling relationship between Hinduism and Zoroastrianism.

Religious meme development is easily studied though, so there probably isn't a need to reduce it to a biology-style genetic analysis.

drewjmore

Much to my relief, yes.



RC="Roman Catholic," unless I miss my guess...

OneInFundieville

I didn't see it as an analytical tool or technique, more simply as a way to graphically model and represent.

I could probably count up thousands I memes I had:
- Everything happens for a purpose.
- The bread is not literally the body of Christ.
- God is good.
- There is one God.
- Saved by faith and grace.
- God uses doctors to heal.

Thousands and thousands of memes and as you point out premjan, much sharing and recombination including from outside of the realm of "faith" too.

Anyhow, I'm interested in what my own memetic concestors would have been, the influences, the branch points (denominations, councils, creeds, the ones you point out, ancient Mesopotamian beliefs), etc.

OneInFundieville

drew, this is exactly what I am looking for but for three more areas of detail.

1) What the specific meme sequences that get mutated or recombined at each branch point. I would imagine some to be doctrinal, some political, some cultural, etc. I think folks would be most aware of the big "schism" ones but I'm interested at each of the branch points.

2) How about a broader scope? I would be interested in seeing it not just back to Orthodox church fathers but all the way back to JC. Would really like to see it all the way back to Abraham, or better, all the way back to ancient Mesopotamian origins, ever best of all for all humankind.

3) How about a more detailed scope? I haven't analyzed the tree in depth but it seems to be focused on church government/"communions"/etc. in it's framework, not so much on the actual memes. Focusing, if you will, at organizational break points seems to imply a discontinuity that would be principally shadowing relatively large sets of meme changes.

Has anybody taken this on in a very broad scoped project? Other than the being based upon basic organizational trees we've had for a very long time?

drewjmore

Perhaps you did not notice the weblink under the word 'yes' in my post, so I will call attention to it. The graphic is one of several presented using different organizing principles.

This Journal (link) published it. You may wish to search that journal's archives for other figures, or enlighten us all by creating a diagram which satisifes your requirements.

-djm [can picture the diagram you're looking for, but has no idea how to construct it coherently]

OneInFundieville

Thanks drew. I did look at the link. I guess I was hoping for a bit more info. I wish I had the time to take it up. But I don't have the time or the expertise. Oh well.

Clivedurdle

We need a millionaire to sponsor the Human Meme Project!