JaronK

Name your lab test. Unless you meant lab tests that take place in a musical? Seriously, name one actually accepted lab test that puts sea anenomes and dolphins as related... more related, say, than dolphins and bears (which you claim are of different kinds and are thus less related, right?).

JaronK

semiopen

I'll take another stab at this...

My understanding is that the conquest of Canaan (Joshua) is less likely to actually have happened than the Exodus, and that makes it pretty unlikely.

The Israelites were apparently early inhabitants of Canaan, who peacefully settled in the Judean highlands at the end of the Bronze age / beginning of the Iron age..

The commands to exterminate the various peoples, etc. were written during the Kingdoms period or later. Since I'm pretty sure the posters other than Joseph accept this, I feel like I'm missing something when we speak of this destruction as if it actually happened.

Even assuming it did happen, so what? A lot of the internal structure of Judaism (and Christianity) is based on guilt. Aside from causing all kinds of psychological probelms, this leads to messianism which is basically evil; this is the single most serious problem in fundamental Judaism and Christianity.

Modern history is not clear to me. There was a significant Jewish presence in Palestine before statehood. In the course of the war of independence, many Palestinians got displaced; from my understanding with good reason in many if not the majority of cases.

Here to though, the right or wrong of the situation is not the key issue.

Here is some spiritual advice from Goldmember... Joseph, take it down a notch.

Roger Pearse

Have you got Simon Wiesenthal's approval before publishing that?

I suppose it depends on whether you think New York bankers are mainly Jewish or entirely Jewish; and whether they hold your mortgage.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

storytime

See, you're trying to force Israels laws onto humanity now with your insistence that all countries got their laws from the Hebrew bible. I think that more than a few posters have already proven your creativity wrong. But, you'll just keep trying to force Israel's laws onto everyone, won't you. However, it doesn't work today quite as well as yesterday, does it? :Cheeky:

Toto

This thread is veering out of control. It is ripe for closure.

storytime

Incepted? That's not good enough excuse, for the story says that Israel provoked people, created their enemy, and then blamed their enemy for defending themselves.

If non Hebrew/Israelite people possessed the land, why shouldn't they have defended their land? Just because a gang of Hebrews took a vacation to Egypt for many years and returned to village, should they have laid claim to the land? And why didn't Hebrews claim the land of Egypt, as it must have been some kind of luxury oasis or something, and they could just have easily told the Egyptians 'hey, god give us your land so get off it now or else?' Maybe God was not powerful enough to take land belonging to Egypt and God saw small villages as a more easy thieft?

Jews have a 4000 year history? That's not what the bible says, because "Jews" are not a named people until the days of Jacob and son Judah. Also the bible doesn't give dates of time for Hebrews. You're just making another funny aren't you?

Other people were robbed and displaced in the middle east of ancient times, so why do you think the Jews deserve special recognition in the mix? You've even forgotten about the other Israeli tribes, and where they were exiled(?) to. I'm not so convinced of your definition of "exiled" either, for tribes of people moved wherever a more life sustaining enviroment was to be had. This is why the bible story has Israelites running in and out of Egypt and Babylon. So, being taken captive might not have meant their being held prisoner in exile. They may have simply been captivated - in awe of civilized producing people. I seem to remember reading that Israelites were considered an abomination by Egyptians. Would you happen to have an answer for that somewhat oddity? Is that where Israelites learned to degrade other people as abominations?

storytime

Why would they need "freedom fighters" when they seem perfectly satisfied with their lifestyle. You're the one who seems oddly disatisfied with how they live in their own country and their own religion. Why not mind your own business and accept that people are different?

storytime

Isn't S.W. dead? I don't think he'd mind, after all, it's right out of the KJV.

Jewish bankers? :devil1: Wasn't there a connection to that Maddoff guy who transfered billions all over the world and wasn't put in jail but continued living in his NY penthouse apartment? I'm almost sure that Joseph would say he's being persecuted in exile.

storytime

My apologies for getting off topic.

Back to "homosexuality in the bible." A necessary judged offense in support of re-production of children for war, imo.

Toto

You are not the worst offender.

But you keep asserting that this is in support of reproduction for purposes of raising soldiers, which has no support in the Biblical text.

If no one has anything to say about the TEXT, we can just close this abomination of a collection of bizarro theories.