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stephan huller · 02-16-2012, 08:40 PM

And the LORD said unto Moses Behold thou shalt sleep with thy fathers and this people will rise up and go a whoring after the strange god (אֱלֹהֵ֣י נֵֽכַר) of the land whither they go to be among them and will forsake me and break my covenant which I have made with them (Deut 31:16)

The numerical value of 'strange god' = 316 = yeshu or 'Jesus' (http://books.google.com/books?id=SBe...%20316&f=false)

The tradition goes at least as far back as Abulafia (13th century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Abulafia):

http://books.google.com/books?id=4cr...%20316&f=false

stephan huller · 02-16-2012, 08:52 PM

On Abulafia identifying the angel of the throne as 'yesh' (= yesh ral): http://books.google.com/books?id=2RO...q=yesh&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=cv5...20yesh&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=3zP...20yesh&f=false

Sheshbazzar · 02-16-2012, 09:26 PM

I hope you do realize that ישו is not the name יהושע nor its equivalent.

שש

stephan huller · 02-16-2012, 10:29 PM

Another sighting of Jesus (yeshu) in gematria:

Quote:

Happy is the man (הָאִיש) that hath not walked in the counsel of the wicked, [Psalm 1:1]

"the man" = 316 as recounted in Avigdor Shinʼan's book אותו האיש (= That Man) http://books.google.com/books?id=m9j...=0CC8Q6AEwADgU

Biographical information on the author -

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Avigdor Shinan (Associate Professor, Department of Hebrew Literature)
General Research Interests: Biblical Interpretation, Mishnah, Targum, Jewish Prayerbook. Current Research Projects: Midrash Shemot Rabbah, chapters 15-52 (a critical edition); The Book of Jonah in ancient Jewish literature (with Prof. Y. Zakovitch).

Biography: Professor Avigdor Shinan was born in Prague in 1946, and emigrated to Israel in 1949. From 1964 to 1967, Professor Shinan served in the Israeli Defense Forces. In 1972, he received B.A. in Biblical Studies and Hebrew Literature from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. In 1978, he received Ph.D. from the Hebrew University. From 1979 to 1980, Professor Shinan conducted post-doctoral research at Columbia University and The Jewish Theological Seminary (NY). Professor Shinan served as Lecturer in the Department of Hebrew Literature at the Hebrew University in the years 1979-1983, and as Senior Lecturer in the years 1983-1991. In the years 1984-85, Professor Shinan was invited by Yale University and The Jewish Theological Seminary (NY) as Visiting Professor. He served as the Editor of Kiryat Sefer, a bibliographical quarterly of the Jewish National and University Library in Jerusalem. Professor Shinan was invited by Yeshiva University (NY) as Visiting Professor in the years 1991-92. And since 1991, Professor Shinan has served the Department of Hebrew Literature at Hebrew University as Associate Professor.

Publications: (Books) -- (1) The Biblical Story as Reflected in its Aramaic Translations (in Hebrew). Tel Aviv: Hakkibutz Hameuchad, 1993; (2) The Embroidered Targum: the Aggadah in Targum Pseudo-Jonathan to the Pentateuch (in Hebrew). Jerusalem: Magnes Press, 1992; (3) The World of the Aggadah (Broadcast University Series). Tel-Aviv: Publication of the Ministry of Defense, 1990 (Original Hebrew edition, 1987; Russian translation, 1990); (4) Midrash Shemot Rabbah, Chapters I-XIV. A Critical Edition Based on a Jerusalem Manuscript, with Variants, Commentary, and Introduction (in Hebrew). Jerusalem/Tel Aviv: Dvir Publishing House, 1984; (5) The Book of Genesis in the Bible, the Old Versions and the Ancient Jewish Literature (Monograph Series, co-authored with Y. Zakovitch, in Hebrew). Five Volumes, 1983-1992; (6) The Aggadah in the Aramaic Targums to the Pentateuch (in Hebrew). Jeruasalem: Makor Publications, 1979. (Ph.D. dissertation, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, 1978); (5) with J. Heinemann, The Statutory Prayers of the Sabbath and the Weekdays (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Hakibbutz Hameuchad, 1977.

(Articles) -- Over fifty articles in Hebrew or English on various issues related to ancient biblical interpretation, especially Midrash and Targum.

stephan huller · 02-16-2012, 10:57 PM

In Sefer Sitrei Torah, he (Abulafia) writes about Jesus, "That man founded a new religion, as evidenced by the remainder of the nation which is called until this very day by the name attributed to him by his and their consent. They are called Christians, annointed ones, because he named himself the annointed one, the Messiah. The Torah, however, called him 'an alien god.' Understand this well, for it is a great secret."

Sheshbazzar · 02-16-2012, 11:15 PM

Cyphers. ישו vs יהושע

י=10
ש=300
ו=6

10+300+6=316 = 'yeshu' or 'Jeee-sus',

if one wishes.

or;

10x300x6=18000= 'yeshu' or 'Jeee-sus' if one wishes. Fine with me

.

THE NAME יהושע
י=10
ה=5
ו=6
ש=300
ע=70

10+5+6+300+70=391

or;

10x5x6x300x70=6300000

Which is the greater, 316 or 391?
18000 or 6300000?

I know that which is greater in my Book.

5 digits are on upon my right hand, and 5 more digits are upon my left hand,
And 10 more digits are my toes. My 'fingers', my 'hands', my 'arms', and my 'feet' I am able to count upon,
and to measure the measure with. And discern what is the length, the height, and the breadth.
With the plummet and measuring line I can level every mountain, cast down the lifted up, and raise up the low,
and instruct the repairers of the breach in how, at the last, to build upright, foursquare, and enduring.

It appears that Stephan is either ignoring, or has me on ignore.

שש בצר העברי

.

stephan huller · 02-17-2012, 12:24 AM

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After all, or, if you like, before all, since you (Marcion) have said that he has a creation of his own, and his own world, and his own sky; we shall see, indeed, about that third heaven, when we come to discuss even your own apostle. Meanwhile, whatever is the (created) substance, it ought at any rate to have made its appearance in company with its own god. But now, how happens it that the Lord has been revealed since the twelfth year of Tiberius Cæsar, while no creation of His at all has been discovered up to the fifteenth of the Emperor Severus (= the time Tertullian was presumably writing); although, as being more excellent than the paltry works of the Creator, it should certainly have ceased to conceal itself, when its lord and author no longer lies hid? [Against Marcion 1.15]

I have no explanation for this variant dating.

Sheshbazzar · 02-17-2012, 12:40 AM

If ישו is the numerical value of 'strange god' = 316 = yeshu or 'Jeee-sus' as Stephan suggests in Post #1 above.
What is the numerical value of שש

What does the name 'Sheshbazzar' mean? And what task was 'Sheshbazzar' appointed to do?
Who can read the writing on the wall? or in The Books?

Don't have a clue?

ששבצר העברי

shadowfox · 02-17-2012, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

If ישו is the numerical value of 'strange god' = 316 = yeshu or 'Jeee-sus' as Stephan suggests in Post #1 above.
What is the numerical value of שש

What does the name 'Sheshbazzar' mean? And what task was 'Sheshbazzar' appointed to do?
Who can read the writing on the wall? or in The Books?

Don't have a clue?

ששבצר העברי

Very sorry to be so dense, but ignorant person here. I don't read Hebrew or the letters of Hebrew. So, sadly I reckon I'm one who doesn't have a clue.

The numerical value of the 2 letters I can't print out: if each is 300, is it 300 plus 300 or 300 times 300? My math isn't good, either! but 600 or 90000.

What does your name Sheshbazzar mean? I'm not sure what the letters in Hebrew are, nor do I reckon I'd know what each means in numerical terms.

Thanks in advance for any help here.

stephan huller · 02-17-2012, 09:09 AM

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02-16-2012, 08:40 PM	#1
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	The Origin of the Marcionite Title for Jesus 'the Strange God' And the LORD said unto Moses Behold thou shalt sleep with thy fathers and this people will rise up and go a whoring after the strange god (אֱלֹהֵ֣י נֵֽכַר) of the land whither they go to be among them and will forsake me and break my covenant which I have made with them (Deut 31:16) The numerical value of 'strange god' = 316 = yeshu or 'Jesus' (http://books.google.com/books?id=SBe...%20316&f=false) The tradition goes at least as far back as Abulafia (13th century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Abulafia): http://books.google.com/books?id=4cr...%20316&f=false

02-16-2012, 08:52 PM	#2
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	On Abulafia identifying the angel of the throne as 'yesh' (= yesh ral): http://books.google.com/books?id=2RO...q=yesh&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=cv5...20yesh&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=3zP...20yesh&f=false

02-16-2012, 09:26 PM	#3
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	I hope you do realize that ישו is not the name יהושע nor its equivalent. שש

02-16-2012, 10:57 PM	#5
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	In Sefer Sitrei Torah, he (Abulafia) writes about Jesus, "That man founded a new religion, as evidenced by the remainder of the nation which is called until this very day by the name attributed to him by his and their consent. They are called Christians, annointed ones, because he named himself the annointed one, the Messiah. The Torah, however, called him 'an alien god.' Understand this well, for it is a great secret."

02-16-2012, 11:15 PM	#6
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Cyphers. ישו vs יהושע י=10 ש=300 ו=6 10+300+6=316 = 'yeshu' or 'Jeee-sus', if one wishes. or; 10x300x6=18000= 'yeshu' or 'Jeee-sus' if one wishes. Fine with me . THE NAME יהושע י=10 ה=5 ו=6 ש=300 ע=70 10+5+6+300+70=391 or; 10x5x6x300x70=6300000 Which is the greater, 316 or 391? 18000 or 6300000? I know that which is greater in my Book. 5 digits are on upon my right hand, and 5 more digits are upon my left hand, And 10 more digits are my toes. My 'fingers', my 'hands', my 'arms', and my 'feet' I am able to count upon, and to measure the measure with. And discern what is the length, the height, and the breadth. With the plummet and measuring line I can level every mountain, cast down the lifted up, and raise up the low, and instruct the repairers of the breach in how, at the last, to build upright, foursquare, and enduring. It appears that Stephan is either ignoring, or has me on ignore. שש בצר העברי .

02-17-2012, 12:40 AM	#8
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	If ישו is the numerical value of 'strange god' = 316 = yeshu or 'Jeee-sus' as Stephan suggests in Post #1 above. What is the numerical value of שש What does the name 'Sheshbazzar' mean? And what task was 'Sheshbazzar' appointed to do? Who can read the writing on the wall? or in The Books? Don't have a clue? ששבצר העברי

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