aa5874

Now, please open your Bibles and Examine the Forgery--the long Fake gMark.

The Resurrected Ghost called Jesus of Nazareth appears to the disciples according to the FAKE gMark--a unknown ghost writer.

FAKE long gMark 16 Paul was in contact with the Resurrected Ghost in FAKE long gMark.

1. Romans 1:15 KJV2.1 Corinthians 1:23 KJV3.1 Corinthians 9:16 KJV Now Paul ADMITS he CONFERED with GHOSTS when he was called to Preach about the Resurrected Ghost called Jesus.

4. Galatians 1 Paul showed the Sign that he BELIEVED the Ghost story in the FAKE gMark.

Paul ADMITTED he Spoke in Tongues.


FAKE long gMark 16:17 KJV Acts 2:4 KJV1 Corinthians 14:18 KJV The Pauline writer composed his letters AFTER FAKE long gMark story was already known.

It was the Resurrected Ghost called Jesus in FAKE gMark who commanded that the disciples preach the Gospel and that they would speak in other tongues.

The Pauline writings are no earlier than than the 2nd century or AFTER FAKE long gMark about the Resurrected Ghost.

Sheshbazzar

But it is an interesting observation there jake. Is it possible that the writer of 'Mark' had recieved no tradition of, or no idea of any miraculous virgin birth, or impregnation by the Holey Ghost?

That is the way it appears. And would be a clear indication that the original Jebus legend or tradition that was either known to, or was composed by 'Mark' contained no concept of the virgin birth.

Wonder who 'Mark' thought was the father of his Jebus?

Duvduv

Or maybe the sponsors decided that the nativity fit better in the next version that had a more Jewish flavor to it, whereas it wasn't needed in the simpler prophet SoM story.

maryhelena

Yes, it looks that way. The holy ghost conception is a later development.

1) "At the close of a certain Sabbath, Joseph Pandera, attractive and like a warrior in appearance, having gazed lustfully upon Miriam, knocked upon the door of her room and betrayed her by pretending that he was her betrothed husband, Yohanan." Toledot Yeshu


2) "And immediately he sent forth heralds throughout
the whole land that all (of) the male sex born
from now and (back) to the third year are to be
honoured and to receive (a gift of)gold. (When)
enquiring whether any (male infant) had been born
without a father they were to pretend that (Herod)
would adopt him as his son and make him king.
And since they did not discover a single such
(infant), he gave orders to kill all
6 myriad and 3000 infants." Slavonic Josephus

gMark starts with the adult Jesus being baptized by John.

gMatthew runs the holy spirit conception.

gLuke detailing the holy spirit conception takes places in that out of the way place - Nazareth.

I don't think the Slavonic Josephus birth narrative necessarily deals with a child conceived abnormally via a holy ghost. Many a child is born without a father - ie father dies prior to the birth of the child, sickness or war. What the Slavonic Josephus story does do is begin to leave open the question of paternity.

Sheshbazzar

One could see a possible reason why 'Mark' would much prefer to start his tale with an adult Jebus.

aa5874

No need to WONDER. It was handed to us on a Platter.

There is NO Joseph or human father in the short or long gMark.

The most High God was the father of gMark's Jesus.

1. short gMark 32. short gMark 5
3. short gMark 15 The Pauline writer would also claim Jesus was the Son of God but went even further and claimed Jesus was EQUAL to God which is not found in the LATE FAKE long gMark.

1. Galatians 2:20 KJV Now, examine Phillipians. There is NO story in the LATE FAKE long gMark or gMatthew that Jesus thought he was EQUAL to God.

Phillipians 2 It is in the ghost writer of the LATE gJohn who wrote that Jesus was God.

gJohn 10.30John 1:1 KJV The Pauline writings are NOT only AFTER FAKE long gMark but AFTER gMatthew.

aa5874

Marcion may have also started with another "adult" Son of another God.

First Apology LVIII In Jewish Mythology in a book called Genesis, God made an "adult man" called Adam and and "adult woman" called Eve.

In the NT the Pauline writer ADMITTED Jesus was made a Ghost/Spirit unlike Adam.

1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV Now, examine the LATE gJohn.

John 3:6 KJV Jesus in the NT is confirmed by Paul and the ghost writer of gJohn to be a SPIRIT.

Jesus was the PUREST HOLIEST SINLESS GHOST in the "history" of mankind.

What a monstruous fable!!!

Julian's Against the Galileans Paul has been EXPOSED as a monstrous Liar by Julian the very Emperor of Rome--Paul claimed he stayed fifteen days with Apostle Peter a "hand-picked" disciple of the Ghost called Jesus.

Sheshbazzar

The story of Jebus's actual father being a Roman soldier by the name of 'Pantera' goes all the way back to the 'The True Word' an early anti-Christian literary work composed by Celsus circa 170 CE, and opposed by Origen in Contra Celsum.

There is little question that this identification was made very early, and that the claim of Celsus, and the dispute of Origen do date to the 2nd century CE.
It appears in the Tolodot Yeshu because it was a well known claim for hundreds of years. the question is how long?
Because in fact the 'Tolodot Yeshu' may well be a Jewish tale about a Jewish magician that originated even before the time of the life of the alleged 'christ' or 'christianity'.

If it was known to the author of 'Mark', (and it would have been, if a Jewish tale existed about a pre-christian Jebus) it is understandable why his tale would avoid any mention of his Jebus's birth or his father.
And the latter expanded Gospel tales would incorporate a 'miraculous' birth tale to counteract these claims taken from the earlier Tolodot Yeshu, that Jebus was really the bastard son of of an illegitimate human union.


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aa5874

The story that Jesus was the Son of God was known BEFORE Celsus wrote "True Discourse".

Aristides wrote his Apology c 117-138 CE addressed to Hadrian the Emperor and claimed that God came down from heaven and that Jesus, the Son of God, LIVED in the daughter of man.

Aristides wrote at least 22 years before Celsus and the Gospel with Jesus as the Son of God was composed before Aristides wrote his Apology.

Aristides' Apology The written story of the Jesus cult, the Gospel, that God came down from Heaven and lived in the daughter of man PREDATES Celsus "True Discourse".

Toto

This is a curious argument, and I'm not sure what you are trying to prove or why you make such a bold assertion with no evidence.

There were many gospels and variants, so much that the "proto-orthodox" had to pick and chose a mere four, and try to pin them down. Some of the gospels not chosen are lost to history - we only know about them from references in other works.

The Gospel of Peter was very popular before the establishment of the canon, but has not survived in a complete form. It may be older than the canonical gospels. There was a Gospel of Philip, that new age mystics like. There is the recently discovered Gospel of Judas. There are also references to a gospel of the Hebrews.