Originally Posted by sugarhitman

The critics believes that when Jesus said the above He was referring to the then present generation....He was not. In the book of Mark ch. 13:28-30 it reads:

Originally Posted by DBT

Isn't there a tricky bit?

''I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” (NIV Matthew 16:27-28)

Originally Posted by sugarhitman

In otherwords Jesus knew that because of Israel's rejection of Him the city would be destroyed by the Romans.

Originally Posted by sugarhitman

The critics believes that when Jesus said the above He was referring to the then present generation....He was not. In the book of Mark ch. 13:28-30 it reads:

"Now learn the parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and put forth leaves, you know that summer is NEAR: So you in like manner, when you shall SEE THESE THINGS COME TO PASS, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. Verily I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done."---Jesus Christ

In the preceding verses of the same chapter the end times and the Anti-Christ are being described. The generation who will not pass away is the generation in which the signs aforementioned will appear in that will not pass away. Jesus foretold the destruction of the Temple in an earlier case (which meant the destruction of the city) which came to pass when the Romans destroyed Israel. The Anti-Christ does not destroy Israel. In otherwords Jesus knew that because of Israel's rejection of Him the city would be destroyed by the Romans. And the "Abomination that causes Desolation" cannot trample a city or nation that is not there which means that could not have been the generation. And this agrees with the Prophets who tells us that before this final conflict Israel will have been restored as a nation from a long absence (see Joel and Ezekiel).

1. Israel destroyed by the Romans
2. Israel restored as a Nation
3. The final conflict....Aremegeddon.

The generation (Israel of Jesus's time) of Jesus's time as He hinted at would be destroyed as a nation. The generation who witness the signs (The restoration of Israel, The Anti-Christ, Armegeddon) will not pass away. A generation as I understand is a 120 years. Israel was restored in 1948, nations are trying to seize Israel's land, there is a dispute over Jerusalem, World Goverment is taking place, Europe (the nations who made up the Roman Empire) are unifying. We are that generation.

Originally Posted by Farrell Till

“The article in this issue on the Tyre prophecy referred to Ezekiel's promise that Nebuchadnezzar would be ‘given’ Egypt as compensation for his failure to take Tyre as the prophecy had predicted, but when the ensuing prophecy against Egypt is analyzed, it becomes clear that it failed too. In a four-chapter tirade against Egypt, Ezekiel said that Yahweh would give Nebuchadnezzar Egypt as ‘wages’ for the labor he had expended on Tyre in an unsuccessful siege (29:19-20). The devastation of Egypt was to be complete. The land would be an ‘utter waste and a desolation’ from Migdol (in the north) to the border of Ethiopia (in the south). So thorough would the devastation be that ‘neither foot of man nor foot of beast would pass through it, and it would be uninhabited for 40 years and the Egyptians scattered among the nations’ (29:9-12). At the end of the 40 years, Yahweh would gather the Egyptians back to their country from where they had been scattered, but Egypt would forever be ‘the lowliest of kingdoms’ (v: 15). It would never ‘exalt itself above the nations’ and would not ‘rule over the nations anymore’ (v:15).

“Needless to say, none of this ever happened. There are no historical records of a 40-year period when Egypt was so desolate that neither animals nor humans inhabited it, and the population of Egypt was never scattered among the nations and then regathered to its homeland. It's political influence has fluctuated through the centuries, but there has never been a time when it could have been considered the ‘lowliest of kingdoms.’ No self-respecting biblicist, however, would allow minor details like these to deter him in his insistence that the Bible is inerrant, so all sorts of attempts have been made to show that this is not a prophecy failure.

“The fulfillment is yet future: Some inerrantists admit that this prophecy has not been fulfilled, but they insist that it will be someday. This explanation ignores some rather explicit language in the prophecy. It began with Yahweh telling Ezekiel to ‘set [his] face against Pharaoh king of Egypt’ and ‘to prophesy against him’ and to say, ‘Behold I am against you, O Pharaoh, king of Egypt’ (29:2-3). Specific language is also directed to ‘Pharaoh king of Egypt’ in 30:21-22, 25; 31:2, 18; and 32:2, 31-32. Furthermore, the prophecy was very clear in stating that this desolation of Egypt would be done by Nebuchadnezzar, who would be ‘brought in to destroy the land’ and to ‘fill the land with the slain’ (30:10-11). Needless to say, the rule of the pharaohs ended in Egypt centuries ago, and Nebuchadnezzar has been dead even longer, so if the total desolation of Egypt and scattering of its population did not happen in that era, it is reasonable to say that the prophecy failed. Inerrantists, however, are not reasonable when the integrity of the Bible is at stake, so some will go so far as to say that even though the rule of the pharaohs has ended, it will be restored someday, at which time Yahweh will bring about the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy, possibly by a ruler who will come from the same region as Nebuchadnezzar.

“Although seriously proposed by some inerrantists, this ‘explanation’ is such a resort to desperation that it hardly deserves comment. It makes Yahweh a petty, vindictive deity who will punish Egyptians in the distant future for something that their ancestors did, and it makes possible the explanation of any prophecy failure in any religion. Believers in the prophecy could simply say that even though it has not yet been fulfilled, it will be ‘someday.’ That type of ‘logic’ may impress biblical fundamentalists, but rational people will see it for exactly what it is--desperation to cling to belief in prophecies that have been discredited by time.

“The prophecy was figurative in its meaning: This ‘explanation’ may take two forms: (1) Some contend that this prophecy was fulfilled but that critics of the Bible have not recognized it because they have interpreted literally what Ezekiel conveyed in figurative language. They quibble that he meant only to say that great damage would be inflicted on Egypt and that this was done when Nebuchadnezzar invaded Egypt in 568/7 B. C. The fact that total devastation of Egypt obviously didn't happen at that time (or any other time) doesn't matter to those who hold to this view. By rationalizing that plain language in the Bible was actually ‘figurative,’ they are able to convince themselves that the prophecy was fulfilled. (2) Other proponents of the figurative view number themselves with the futurists. They accept that the prophecy was obviously predicting a total devastation of Egypt, and they admit that this has not happened yet. They use the figurative argument to explain away not the descriptions of destruction but Ezekiel's references to Nebuchadnezzar and the pharaoh's of Egypt. To them, it doesn't matter that Nebuchadnezzar and the pharaohs are long gone, because they contend that these were only ‘figures’ or ‘symbols’ of the rulers who will be in power when Yahweh finally brings about the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy against Egypt. This "explanation" of the prophecy is really no better than the one that sees a futuristic restoration of the Egyptian pharaohs and Babylon's former empire. It reduces the god Yahweh to a petty, vindictive deity who will punish future Egyptians for what their ancestors did. It's most obvious flaw, however, is that it resorts to unlikely scenarios to try to make the Bible not mean what it obviously says. In rather plain language, Ezekiel predicted a total destruction and desolation of Egypt that would last for 40 years. It never happened, and no amount of rationalization can make that failure a success.”