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Old 06-12-2008, 10:11 PM   #31
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Am I the only one to see a supreme irony here?

If land "ownership" is to be based on who was there first, then the bible tells us that the Israelites were the invaders led by Joshua.


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Each Jew must invade Isreal on his own. It is a state of mind after the purgation period in Galilee by way of crucifixion and from there on to Israel instead of back to Galilee. The journey of life must take us between the Pishon and Gihon (where there is pleasure and pain) to the Tigris and on to the Euphrates as Israel.
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Old 06-13-2008, 06:08 AM   #32
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I am embarrassed that I am not better educated on this topic but hey, I am seeking to educate myself now.

Is Israel's claim to the 'holy land' based only on biblical promises? I have heard that it is, but I have also heard that the Israelites had a historically valid claim to the land before the Palestinians. So, taking only secular history into account, who was there first?
There is no legal basis to claim nationhood based on history. Should the United States give back its land to the Native American tribes because they were there first? Should Mexico be broken up and large parts of Mexico City be given to the descendants of the Aztec? Should all non-native Australians be driven out of their land and should it be given to the Aborigines?

Israel exists because it was created by the colonial powers at the end of the 2nd World War, just like many countries exist because of that historical quirk. It has no "historic" reason to exist any more than the Inca Empire has a reason to exist. It exists because of international law and custom, and because its existence has been recognised by the international community.
IT WAS FATE, IF IT WASN'T HISTORY WOULDN'T BE HISTORY. Our past wouldn't be our past, and we wouldn't be here arguing about it? now would we? That is why no one can change it without causing extremely serious repercussions.
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