Chili

Adam is masculine and Eve effeminate, neither are male nor female for they have no "created identity" and therefore no corporeal body to be either male or female.

Adam was conjectured by man (which equals the fall of man) while man was created by God who created them (plural) male and female with the potential to become either male or female (and that is still true today).

Creation took 6 days for there are only 6 days. The 7th day is the day on which evening never followed and therefore not part of Gen.1. Gen.1 is creation by God and Gen.2 is the unfolding of creation by Lord God who is the second cause and therefore not creator because you can be both first and second cause. Nono, you confuse Eve with woman and Adam with man. Man and woman are created in the image of God and he/they walked in paradise where he/they were naked and felt no shame. Adam and Eve were created by man (I call it conjectured because Adam and Eve only exist in the conscious mind of man where they become the positive and negative stand that create our ego identity).

The lesser serpent is Eve and the greater serpent is Woman "who will strike at her (Eve's) head while she will strike at his (Adam's) heel. This transition will move the body of man to search for happines in effort to quench the pain of alienation. No connection between Adam and God (or woman would be superfluous) and therefore the 2 serpents are the chain of command that move humans about. Yes but only if you mean the greater serpent and that is woman. She is incarnate upon us to be the continuity of God in man but woman is not part of our conscious awareness (she's very enigmatic) and therefore she will strike at Eve who is from this generation where she can be an equal mate for Adam who in turn is our ego identity.

I guess we have three major forces at work in our mind that move the animal man (= Lord God in the image of God) towards his destiny. In this God is passive and will be moved wherever fate leads him (totally subjective in a compettitive environment where only the fittest Gods survive). . . . lest you [know that you] will die. This points directly at our memory and does not mean that we do not die if we do not eat of this fruit. The point here is that without a conscious memory you'll never know the difference.
Eve was the serpent and she is the reason why humans have the ability to 'crawl.'

Woman was deceived because woman was not God (without an essence of existence) and wanted to be like god so she could make a contribution for the benefit of [her] man. Make Eden a better place place to live . . . wherefore she saw the the TOK was good.

So I would say the fall of man was needed for the survival of the species called man and each generation will have its own Eve to make its own contribution. Woman gave some to her husband who ate it. Woman took it to please her man. Woman is the 'womb of man' and has no guts to digest anything.

Adam is from one generation only and just fades away when man dies. Only man in the image of God can live in the eternal age and the rest have only their own generation to enjoy.

I think you are mixing two mythologies and have your metaphors mixed. I can see where "looking forward or backward" can have meaning but not to Eve who is driven to the point that her husband gets crucified. Eve is Magadalene and Jesus is Adam while Christ is man (become second Adam, and later Lord God and God).

highpreistess

This interpretation is from ecstatic kabbalah, and of course from Luzatto
who understood that man is all flesh, and the female is the spirit, or the
emptiness or nothingness that is the seed of potential. hp

highpreistess

Mary represented the unconditional womb, the image of Abel, who was
raped by her brother to produce his image, and his 'line' one that he
incarnated and reincarnated through. He becomes the father of the
'lie.'

Abel could not bring forth her father Adam, as the image had fallen,
Mary, who was also Miriam, brought forth from the unconditional womb,
the christ consciousness, which is the consciousness of 'any' man,
not specific man. The battle of Gog (men) and magog (woman) has
been the battle over the womb, or bag of blood (carlos Suarez) since
the beginning of time, the womb is the 'image' maker, and it was taken
over by the 'stronger' sex to create a specific image, this is the
secret (sod) of the blood (dam), and this is the reason for the
'second death.'

hp

Chili

Human is flesh but man is God and therefore spirit. Human and God are opposite and I think the point here is that flesh cannot be purified but must be crucified and raised to become one with God.

The female is not spirit but in Gen she is called the woman who presides over the Tree of Life and therefore in charge of what we call the holy spirit. But she's not spirit and has to be assumend into heaven (which is a pleasure according to Rev.).

Chili

. . . if you say so but I hold that Mary is the unconditional womb who brings forth the Christ consciousness at rebirth when she becomes our mother and our guide through the purgation period to land us safely in heaven. She is therefore the cause of the first death and actually saw to it that Jesus made it (she had a triumphant appearance at the foot of the cross with John and "your mother", "your son"). The Gospels take place in purgatory, or at least what we call purgatory, and regardless of what we call it, it is where and how we must work our own salvation; ie, "follow me."

The second death is the physical death and that always was.

Devilnaut

"But she's not spirit"


I would call spirit the external manifestation of soul-in-becoming (upon its outer layers). So I would say that Mary is spirit but only by association?



"7. Eve who was the mother of all living as unconditonal potential is beguiled by the serpent. He bids her eat of the tree and become as god. Eve eats of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, because she sees that the fruit is good. She looked back into the past, and based all future events on past actions."

This is interesting, but I would make a distinction between Eve and Woman because as chili mentioned woman had no name until the serpent came along. It is true that the visible serpent pulls woman from the (true) future into a part of the past (which actually creates "past" and attaches names (form perceived) to everything)... but we can't lay blame because it all probably looks the same to her, since past and future are the same being that they are all simply outside. This is part of the trick that makes her decision for the best, in the end.

Chili

Memory is needed to see the past and that is where "looking back" may be an indicator of a second nature. In Gen.2 man was told that if he eats from the TOK he surely will be doomed to die (because he will remember that others died).

Woman did not look back but saw that the TOK would be good for food, beauty and gaining wisdom (woman will never die).

Let me expand on my view of "she (woman) is not spirit." You suggest that woman is spirit by association and therefore called Mary after she has accumilated knowlegde upon the soul of man = outer layers = idenitity of man and therefore womb of God. I would agree because it is not until there is an accumilation of "outer layers" that we have an identity and that is the identity of man (also called Lord God or God) but not woman with an identity of her own.

It is also true that to the same extent we know our soul that we know who we are and for us to get to know the depth, width and breadth of the Lord our God must we get to know our own womanity and that will be the image of the lord our God = our own true identity. This is the time a intimate reationship with Mary is needed but this must be at her initiative.

The reason why Mary is enigmatic is because she is just opposite to our faculty of reason and will always be subdued by it. Therefore reason must be crucified to be annihilated and only thereafter can we walk by intuition (walk on water = TOL) wherein Mary will be our guide because she IS the celestial sea that we must learn to go by. Moses parted this water and therefore remained lost in the desert just like protestants are lost today.

It is also true that the new knowledge is not Mary's until they/it are called into the upper room as apostles. Perpetual virgin implies without an identity of her own but in service of 'her man.' She's the Alpha of Christ in the beginning and the Alpha and Omega after Coronation.

sodium

I'm not a Christian, but here's my interpretation.

I think that you can't think of sin as purely a moral judgment. Sin is a magical taint that afflicts humans. It is acquired by disobeying God, but possibly not only by disobeying God. It is removed in various ways in the OT, usually involving the sacrifice of an animal, but in the Christian scheme, it is removed by Jesus, who stands in for the animal.

I think the question of why you personally should be held responsible for Adam eating an apple 6000 years ago would baffle someone like St. Paul. It isn't a question of responsibility. It's about removing a curse.

Chili

. . . but original sin is a reality and not a curse.

The idea that Jesus removed the curse is wrong and that idea itself becomes a greater curse than any other curse to be removed.

Nice Squirrel

First, what is original sin? In my tradition (non-literal) it is the judging of things to be either "good" or "evil" (or more good/more evil) which all humans do naturally. (Hence the symbology of the two trees.) When humans no longer took the world "as it is" and began judging it is when we fell from a state of bliss. So in my belief system "Original Sin" is the sin of having subjective "morals". And since all humans judge things (good/bad) this sin is inescapable. (Unless you are the Buddha!)

Just a different viewpoint of the story/Original Sin.