EarlDoherty

And why is that? Because I'm a liar (like all mythicists, of course)? I wonder what part of this falls under the "proper" definition of ad hominem. But technical definitions notwithstanding, the term is used generally/loosely in precisely the way I used it. Another evasive tactic.

I am about to disconnect my computer, so I will have nothing further to say on the matter.

Earl Doherty

Amaleq13

A denial would also be expected if you were wrong. The only way to know is if you produce some evidence for your claim. And snide insinuations do not constitute evidence.

A lame pseudo-concession also does not constitute evidence for your assertion.

Then again, only the fundamentalist mentality thinks improving one's argument in response to criticism is somehow a weakness so, even if you are correct, you're still wrong.

Yellum Notnef

You should dissconect Roger's computer instead so we don't have to read anymore of his "I really hate you guys because you don't believe in Christian magic" rantings.

If I wanted to read drivel from fantasy loving babies I'd be over at the Disney forums.

Roger Pearse

Someone is determined to take offence, aren't they? How droll.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

mountainman

Tyro,

A very interesting thread - thanks very much.

I would like to introduce a related citation and
see what you have to say about it.

P.Oxy 3035 Order to arrest ["christian"/"chrestian"/"??"]
The WIKI article states christian, and provides a
translation as follows:

From the governor
to village rulers and officers of peace
of the village of Mermerthon. At once
send up Petosarapin of Horus a <<< Christian>>>
or you yourselves come up.
During the third year of Valerian and Gallienus the August [pl.]
Phamenoth 3

You will find the references at WIKI to an enlarged picture
of this p.oxy.3035, from which the following was extracted:



Can anyone carefully explain how "christian" is explicated
from the greek on this image of p.oxy.3035?

Thankyou Tyro for the original reference papers.
Very intriguing questions arise from these papers.
Partially akin to "copyright issues" between
"christos" and "chrestos" with priority dates.




Pete

Tyro

According to both the wiki and The Duke Databank of Documentary Papyri the text says Chrisi-anon, e.g. without the T in CHRISTI. It seems to have been corrected from chrêsianon, which is visible in a perhaps better photo.

DCHindley

X = Chi "Ch"
P = rho "r" (kinda small and also overwrites part of the X)
H = eta "long e"
C = sigma in its koine form "s"
I = it is unclear if this is an unusually tall iota "i" (which is what the editor thought) or a tau "t" (it looks like a tau to me)
[line break]
A = alpha "a"
N = nu "n"
O = omicron "o"
N = nu "n"

Chres[t]i-anon

It seems to me that Πετοσαρᾶπιν Ὥρου χρησι-ανὸν could mean

"Petosarapin of-Horus chrEsianon" ("Horus chresianon" being a place designation) but the word chrEsianon seems to be in the nominative or accusative case, unless it is an undeclinable transliteration of a local place name.

The translators seem to have interpreted "Of-Horus" to mean "[Son] of Horus" (a person's name), and "chrEsiana" to be a misspelled coloqual form of "a christian", assuming that this was there to xplain the reason for the extradition order. I have to assume that the man was already in custody in the village.

It may simply be a misspelling (I mean the missing "t" or "i") by a careless scribe.

DCH

Roger Pearse

Tertullian's statement in the Apologeticum that pagans often referred to Christians as Chrestians would seem relevant.

mountainman

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. As such it falsely states 'christian' ...

mountainman

Momigliano's backhanded comment that Tertullian may
not have been a real person might be more relevant.