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redhen · 06-18-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriarch Verlch

Other interesting notes, is that we no longer sacrifice animals to cleanse our sins at the temple. That was done away when Jesus died on the cross and the temple veil was went in two. Nothing else can explain the fact that orthodox Jews no longer make sacrifices to God.

Hmm, I thought that animal sacrifice in Judaism ended because their temple in Jerusalem was destroyed? I assume if it ever gets rebuilt (highly doubtful) then it will resume again, much to the dismay of PETA.

xaxxat · 06-18-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by redhen

Hmm, I thought that animal sacrifice in Judaism ended because their temple in Jerusalem was destroyed? I assume if it ever gets rebuilt (highly doubtful) then it will resume again, much to the dismay of PETA.

Will it all start back up when the Red Heifer Cult finds the jar of ashes it needs so they can purify themselves and re-start the sacrifices?

RED DAVE · 06-18-2006, 02:29 PM

From Patriarch Verlch:
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Other interesting notes, is that we no longer sacrifice animals to cleanse our sins at the temple. That was done away when Jesus died on the cross and the temple veil was went in two. Nothing else can explain the fact that orthodox Jews no longer make sacrifices to God.

This represents an ignorance of the history of the Jewish people that borders on antisemitism.

The practice of sacrifice ended with the destruction of the Temple by the Romans. It had nothing to do with the myth of the rending of the Temple veil (for which we have only a xtian fantasy as a source) and the murder by the Romans, of one more Jewish dissenter.

Get your history straight before you start talking about other people's beliefs and practices.

RED DAVE

Geetarmoore · 06-18-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

From Patriarch Verlch:
that borders on antisemitism.

RED DAVE

Are you serious???

FatherMithras · 06-18-2006, 06:14 PM

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Other interesting notes, is that we no longer sacrifice animals to cleanse our sins at the temple. That was done away when Jesus died on the cross and the temple veil was went in two. Nothing else can explain the fact that orthodox Jews no longer make sacrifices to God.

I think being this ignorant of history and making a claim this idiotic in support of Christianity is about the worst thing you can do for your credibility. I think it'd be a good idea for PV to stop pretending he can even BEGIN to argue about this stuff. WOW is all I have to say.

and...

Dee dee dee!

FatherMithras · 06-18-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Geetarmoore

Are you serious???

Absolutely. I'm not Jewish but I can imagine how claiming that their ancient traditions were changed by a person they don't even revere is antisemetic (to an extent) because it's akin to saying "see, you know we're right but won't admit it... or else you'd sacrafuce animals still!"

The funny thing is, PV is so ignorant of the history he doesn't know they DID make sacrafices after he supposedly died on the cross.

Dargo · 06-18-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FatherMithras

Absolutely. I'm not Jewish but I can imagine how claiming that their ancient traditions were changed by a person they don't even revere is antisemetic (to an extent) because it's akin to saying "see, you know we're right but won't admit it... or else you'd sacrafuce animals still!"

The funny thing is, PV is so ignorant of the history he doesn't know they DID make sacrafices after he supposedly died on the cross.

I'm sure PV will say that the fact that the Jews are no longer able to make sacrifices due to the destruction of the temple proves god no longer needs them and thus proves Christianity is right. Actually, I think I did hear that one back in my Christian days.

Nightson · 06-18-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriarch Verlch

That was done away when Jesus died on the cross and the temple veil was went in two.

The tearing of the temple veil account is used to justify many theological posistions, but within the actual text there is no commentary on it. Any metaphorical idea you want to make about is supported by nothing more than your own ideas.

steamer · 06-18-2006, 08:58 PM

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Correction...only the writers of the Bible claimed anything of the sort. No mention of the event one way or the other in Roman records. One would think that if guards had been stationed at the tomb (why?) that there would be some mention of it somewhere.

I've always wondered who it was that was narrating this particular bible scene. No one was around but the evil guards yet their thoughts and motivations were all known by the spooky invisible ghost narrator.

Geetarmoore · 06-18-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FatherMithras

Absolutely. I'm not Jewish but I can imagine how claiming that their ancient traditions were changed by a person they don't even revere is antisemetic (to an extent) because it's akin to saying "see, you know we're right but won't admit it... or else you'd sacrafuce animals still!"

The funny thing is, PV is so ignorant of the history he doesn't know they DID make sacrafices after he supposedly died on the cross.

Well, I guess I don't understand what rises to the level of 'antisemetic', is all. Sorry if I offended.

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